Christines guilty of robbery, acquitted of kidnapping (Christine Trial Ends)

I hope you learned something from all this.

No you don't.

No, you're just predictable.

You wish. I'm sure it pains you to be so wrong but you'll have to deal with it.

Help--help...my demons are tormenting me---please help!

Have you tried Haloperidol?

Yeah..."no rest--'drugs' for the wicked"!

"There was a young man standing there with a gun pointed at me. I could see the shells. I saw the gun was loaded with a standard load, similar to a wad-cutter," he said. "Just lead on the end of the bullet, not copper-jacketed." "It kind of grabbed my attention," he said. Nelson said his training allowed him to act calmly, but he soon felt the flood of emotions -- disbelief, anger, frustration and guilt. "I had three children who were my responsibility, who I was no longer able to care for," he said.

LOOK WHAT I FOUND:

http://www.avoiceforchildren.com/documents/sept-2-1998/address_to_senate_oversight.html

Address to Senate Government Oversight Committee on Due Process

September 2, 1998

I am Pamela Gaston, with my husband, Will Gaston, from Mt. Angel, Oregon and I come before this committee speaking as a Voice For Children, speaking for "we the people", the state of Oregon, ex rel, to address what we are experiencing in the courts and to submit suggestions as to changes that must occur to insure that our Constitutional Right to due process is upheld. Article 14, Sec 1 of the US Constitution states: "no citizen shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law, nor any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". A law that is made that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void and no law at all. A lawful court is a place to make a record - an adversary system with a neutral judge to a jury decision in all criminal cases inviolate and in all civil cases over $20 value. we have learned that EVERY child taken from their family in the state of Oregon is taken without a trial by jury and no court of evidence. Rarely is anyone charged with anything, although parents are constantly threatened that a grand jury will be charging them with something, usually sex abuse, if they do not cooperate with CSD and will never see their children again if they do not cooperate.

What they are illegally using to call evidence is uncontested hearsay allegations in every instance that in a jury proceeding would be testimony thrown out. And so there are no jury trials, only the biased decisions of judged acting beyond their jurisdiction violating their oaths of office and the public trust of committing treason against innocent citizens. Without due process of law, the system has become a rendering process that breaks down and tears apart everything that gets sucked into it. The compelled contracts of services like mental health exams and treatment ordered by judges are being used to render innocent people vulnerable by state doctors writing reports that say whatever a judge wants it to say - we have heard caseworkers state that if they get a report they do not "like" they keep making a person take more exams until they get what they want and then discard the previous exams...All of the cards are stacked in the state's favor.

We have found that the courts today are not a place of truth or credible evidence. We have found that when a person attempts to speak the truth they are shut down and if they have an attorney, the attorney will tell them not to speak and will not speak for them. We have found that police, caseworker and counselor reports are entered as "evidence" with no scrutiny or testimony as to the veracity of the statements in them.

The families know they are absolute lies, yet are not "allowed" to state this on the record, and are threatened and arrested when trying to demand this right to a fair hearing and for insisting on representing themselves in court and scared to death as the state has already kidnapped their children without due process and is already terrorizing them.

We are experiencing that the agencies are using illegally compelled contracts as sentencing, foster care as imprisonment and incarceration, they are drugging and using mind behavior modification techniques to control the children after terrorizing them which happens when they are traumatized from the act of being ripped from their families. They force them into "anger management programs and treatment" if they cry out about their abuse and they are routinely sexually abused by caseworkers and counselors and foster parents who suborn perjury for disclosures of any kind to parental rights. These compelled contracts that everyone is sentenced to are the cash cow for this beaurocracy and they call our children a "commodity" and President Clinton's newest fast track adoption grants a "bounty" their words, for more children each year than they can process. Their newest programs, the prenatal/infant "help" services and the children's insurance are nothing more than ways for this agency to access the homes of innocent pregnant women who are being offered these "services" only to find that they have been assessing the family and the "services" are not voluntary if you do not cooperate with the state to take these services which you will pay for or the state will pay for you, they take the child when it is born. The infants are worth the most money in the fast track programs and in the black market, which is also now a matter of public knowledge that this exists with corrupted caseworkers who have access to the babies, even Good Housekeeping in March 1996 did an expose on this thriving black market adoption and child selling in Oregon. They are increasingly taking the infants off the breast in the hospital if the woman has had any kind of previous involvement with CSD. All we say is court testimony that is undisputed and confessed to under oath in these matters by named agents of the state.

We have found that there are two records being made, and the courts are using the fraudulent counterfeit records that are generated to build a chain of "evidence" against people then prevail in taking their children, and the courts are blocking the TRUE RECORD from being made.

We have learned that these agencies hide behind their belief that confidentiality protects them from public knowledge and it is now a matter of public record that foster care and caseworker abuse of children is rarely reported. That the records - the statistics Kay Toran and other agents of Child Services bring to the Legislature and the newspapers are skewered, often conflicting figures, yet moneys are appropriated to further their agendas without ever questioning whose interests are furthered by these reports being upheld as truth. The whole Oregon Shines Benchmarks goals program is based on this counterfeit record of lies an deception being upheld in the courts without allowing intent or motive to be exposed.

We have found that there is no grievance process or overseer accountability or access to any authority to intervene when we are abused by agents of the state. We have seen that our petitions are being ignored by Chief Justice Wallace Carson who is turning a deaf ear to the families praying for justice and every authority who has taken an oath of office to uphold the constitution in their lawful duties have breached their oaths and failed to act to stop this destruction of innocent and vulnerable people. In fact, Wallace Carson has been for over a year personally assigning the senior judges from out of county to come in and "cut and shred" us in court, to insure that the state prevails.

We are seeing how all of the children, without exception, are being kidnapped on the word of the CSD only, and we have established testimony now from presiding Judge Paul Lipscomb, District Attorney Dale Penn and Family Court DA William Howell that there is never once a jury involved in the taking of children and the destruction of families. These men stated that their only "boss" is the voting booth and that they are inaccountable to anyone but themselves. Dale Penn testified that encouraging child sex abuse and the filming of a 6 year old girl stripping, dancing naked and encouraged to perform sexual manipulations was not pornography and that he participated in the sealing up of said videotape. And now the state has awarded in yet another sham proceeding - a jury trial we were ordered out of and not allowed to defend ourselves, to the foster mother/pornographer $500,000 against us for printing the truth in her own words in her confessions. Where is our Governors pardon from this sentence of family destruction? This governor has known fully of our situation for 1 1/2 years and has done nothing, and all those responsible have allowed this retaliation to escalate. These men who are personally responsible for handling of Marion county cases, stated that even when you are found not guilty in a jury trial that it does not mean the case is over, in and fact no one is ever innocent.

Lipscomb stated that he has made a singular decision to ban someone from the courthouse permanently without hearing, without charges or lawful order and absolutely without due process on his own authority and that they are keeping a black list of people who are being followed and their pictures put on the walls and these people do now know they are being singled out upon entering the courthouse. I am the one he has permanently banned and for just walking into the courthouse I was maced and arrested and now face jail time because Mr. Lipscomb wants me to stop telling what I have discovered, and believes himself to be without overseer in blatantly violating our constitutional rights. We witness behaviors in the courtrooms and especially of the judges that are utterly unbelievable and all of the people have learned to stop saying "how can they do that" - "they" do! The head Sheriff Dave McMullen testified that he is not a peace officer but is in fact an enforcer. His boss Raul Ramirez refused to testify. The extreme arrogance and lack of accountability by adults in positions of authority is what our children and families confront once caught in the system. What can we expect from our youth when they rage violently because no one will listen to what is right and only force control tactics? And when for the least of reasons they encounter this insane system and are assessed by trained people and paraded like slaves with their vital statistics in the newspapers, all labeled special needs because the system gets more money for special needs, we the people are testifying that to experience what we are living is enough that people commit suicide and children don't stand a chance to the practiced and polished methods of deception these agents of the state are using. It is nothing short of PURE EVIL what is happening to our children.

We are witnessing criminal activity against our families and children and experiencing intense retaliation and retribution from the state and we are seeing the state attempt to stop newspapers, protests and TV shows that speak the truth about what is happening. We have seen a judge order that my husband could not pray with his daughter. As a matter of public record a jury has established that in fact judges are conspiring with attorneys, police, sheriffs, caseworkers and other state agents to strip our citizens of their children, their lands, their freedom in sham proceedings without juries and absolutely without due process. In the event a person gets a jury trial, judges illegally instruct juries to find defendants guilty and do not permit motive or intent or truth to come in.

We hear judges say that "facts are not an issue" and "you will not prevail if you persist in declaring your innocence" and in fact will not allow the words "innocence" or "due process" or any reading of law to be stated on the record. We are told that even if we miraculously prevail in a termination of parental rights hearing (no jury) that to appeal would be difficult, at best, and that even if you win the children will not be returned home, but SCF will "begin" to "implement" a service agreement to "work toward" reconciliation, and that most likely they will then say that you do not have the skills to deal with the emotional needs of the children, now that they have destroyed them. It is a viscious circle designed to prevail at all costs and it is a matter of public record that the abuse they are suffering at the hands of the state is far worse than any of the allegations on which they are seizing our children.

Where is God in all of this? Where is the moral foundations and natural rights of sovereign citizens of the Republic that the Constitution was created to insure? Are we not innocent until proven guilty? We are being sentenced to family destruction and rendered guilty and never allowed to be proven innocent! Where is the state's burden of proof of guilt or conviction beyond a reasonable doubt in the taking of children?

There are some immediate steps that need to be made to intervene and halt the terrorism being currently enacted on atleast 2/3 of 6,000 children in the system right now. We must pass the Family Protection Amendment and incorporate it into all future legislation by reestablishing trial by jury into the taking of children and requiring charging someone with a crime and evidence of a crime in order to take children from their homes. When there is legitimate child abuse there is a crime and there is evidence and charges and this is what due process is all about. We must immediately demand that no fraudulent documents can be admissible in court - no unsigned, unentered, unfounded reports or judges orders - something as simple as this will change the whole game as we have learned the key to the abuse is in the records they are making against us. Even when you get confidentiality waivers and read peoples casefiles, it is all the same lies, and you as overseers will never see it, and since the people cannot and their attorneys will not put the truth in the record, you are only seeing what the court and SCF wants you to see as with their skewered statistics...Attorneys will not contest these documents as it would require them to challenge a judge and risk contempt for "irritating the court" for which they get disbarred. Even if you appeal, only the records go up and are seen if you have not spoken the truth on the record, the higher court does not see it either.

We must immediately stop all funding coming straight from Federal funds and require ALL moneys for programs and services to have to come through the legislature and the general fund. We must stop the Federal financing of this kind of abuse. We must immediately put an end to the compelled contracts being used as ransom, contracts signed under duress which invalidates all signatures, yet this is how they fuel their rendering machine. We have heard Kay Toran state that "services are not voluntary" and as we see, they are sentences. We must separate the different parts of the child services agency to reestablish accountability and create an overseer capability that does not exist right now. We must sever the arms of this beast to remove this opportunity for extreme corruption - they take the children, they run the foster care programs, they run the medical and investigative areas, they control every adoption, even private agencies, in the state, and they run the courts to serve in their own best interest, and monetary growth has spawned a sex abuse industry funding huge sums of tax dollars under the pretense of protecting everyone but in fact this agency has become the "Family Police" and are reaping obscene financial rewards. According to Title 18, USC 42 Civil Code, to move one group of people out of their families, homes, culture race and religion is to commit GENOCIDE and all who are allowing this to happen are guilty of this crime against innocent Oregonians.

We have spoken, we have prayed, we have made every attempt to find our due process in a lawful way, and no one is acting in our behalf! What are we to do? No book could hold the truth of the extent of this destruction. There is no more heinous crime than to destroy a child and the circle of life of a family body for all time! As you take your time to think about these things and our children and families continue being abused, ask yourself "What will you do when you are accused?" as that is all it takes to begin the rendering process. What will you do when it is your child or grandchild who is illegally taken and held on lies and tortured and drugged and sexually abused? Will you do less than we the people who will not take this destruction any longer? The Constitution states we have the responsibility to overthrow any in authority who would subvert the constitution, and that to subvert the constitution is treason. Where is our guaranteed equal protection of the laws? What are we setting up for posterity? The blood of our innocence is on your heads and the morals and accountability to act is in your hands.

Pamela K. Gaston, A Voice For Children

98 posted on 5/11/02 2:39 PM Pacific by Prodigal Daughter

Squid--calamari--sushi--sashimi...

True story...just happened---

I have 'a' friend...work with him---

2am three days ago the police dept and CPS raided his home---family till 8am---6hrs. on a 'drug' raid--bust gone wrong.

He is a Mormon...single parent---two teenage daughters/one preteen son...

"don't have a cigarette butt in my home".

In the same complex a few doors away is another guy with the same---close name but reversed...

strange---

but the big deal was they were interrogated on molestation possibilities...

he got to hear his daughters very angrily--upset...in the next room---

dealing with with their sick--perverted minds--thoughts--questions...

not very professional the whole 'operation'.

Here's an interesting summary of a case that defines conditional and unconditional intent in a carjacking from findlaw.com.

CARJACKING - REQUIRED INTENT

Case: Holloway v. United States

Issue: Whether the phrase "with the intent to cause death or serious bodily harm" in 18 U.S.C. §2119, the federal "carjacking" statute (which prohibits taking a motor vehicle which has been shipped in interstate commerce from the person or presence of another by force and violence or intimidation "with the intent to cause death or serious bodily harm") requires the Government to prove that a defendant had an unconditional intent to kill or harm, or whether the Government need merely prove a conditional intent, that is, an intent to kill or harm if necessary to accomplish the carjacking. "More precisely, the question is whether a person who points a gun at a driver, having decided to pull the trigger if the driver does not comply with a demand for the car keys, possess the intent, at that moment, to seriously harm the driver?"

Facts: Petitioner Holloway was convicted of three counts of carjacking, in addition to several other offenses related to stealing cars. In each of the carjackings, Holloway and his accomplice threatened to shoot the driver with a gun unless the driver relinquished the car and keys. Although the accomplice testified that he would have used the gun if any of the drivers had given him a "hard time," only one of the victims even hesitated in handing over the keys. Holloway punched the hesitant driver in the face, but that was the extent of the violence.

The trial court instructed the jury in relevant part that the Government had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the carjacking was committed with the intent "to cause death or serious bodily harm to the person from whom the car was taken." The judge further explained that while using a gun to frighten a victim does not prove such intent, "[i]n some cases, intent is conditional. That is, a defendant may intend to engage in certain conduct only if a certain event occurs. In this case, the government contends that the defendant intended to cause death or serious bodily harm if the alleged victims had refused to turn over their cars. If you find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant had such an intent, the government has satisfied this element of the offense. . . ."

The Court of Appeals affirmed, holding that the concept of conditional intent was a long-recognized one that Congress would have been aware of in enacting the statute. The Supreme Court granted certiorari to settle a conflict in the Circuits.

Holding: "The intent requirement of §2119 is satisfied when the Government proves that at the moment the defendant demanded or took control over the driver's automobile the defendant possessed the intent to seriously harm or kill the driver if necessary to steal the car (or, alternatively, if unnecessary to steal the car)."

Reasoning: Justice Stevens, joined by Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer, identified two "species" of intent: conditional and unconditional. Holloway argued that a defendant must have a specific and unconditional intent to kill or harm in order to possess the mens rea required by the carjacking statute. He insisted that Congress would have inserted the words "if necessary" to the phrase "with the intent to cause death or serious bodily harm" had it intended to include the conditional species of intent. The Court disagreed, reasoning that Congress intended to criminalize "a broader scope of conduct" than attempted assault or murder during car robberies (or the taking of a car only in the event of an intent to harm or kill the driver under all conditions). The Court also thought that focusing too much on the attempt to harm or kill the driver converted the mens rea requirement of the statute into an actus reus component. The carjacking statute was aimed at providing a federal penalty for car robbery when the defendant possessed a particular mens rea at the moment he demanded or took control of the car. Congress's purpose was to provide a deterrent against carjacking, and the Court held that such a purpose was better served by a broader interpretation that included both species of intent. Additionally, the Court presumed that Congress was aware, when it enacted the statute, of cases and commentary recognizing that "the 'specific intent' to commit a wrongful act may be conditional."

Other Opinions: Justices Scalia dissented, maintaining that the Court's interpretation of the clear statutory language and the very meaning of intent was absurd. Even assuming an ambiguous statute, however, the rule of lenity in criminal cases requires a construction resolving the ambiguity in Holloway's favor. Moreover, the use of the word intent to encompass the concept of conditional intent has in no way, contrary to the majority's suggestion, achieved "term of art" status in criminal law. Justice Thomas also dissented noting that the authority for the view that specific intent to commit an act may be conditional was not part of a well-established historical tradition when Congress amended the carjacking statute.

Comment: This is another case placing in stark contrast the strong textualistic approach to interpretation of Justices Scalia and Thomas and the more pragmatic view of the rest of the Court.

Is this the system that the Christines were up against?

No wonder they went to such extremes to rescue their children from its clutches.

If this corrupt system had gotten their sticcky fingers on those innocent little kids, they would probably not be with their grandparents right now..

Every parent in Oregon should own a gun ---- if nothing else to protect their children.

What say you to Post #188 == Does that describe the system that the Christines were up against or were their children headed for Lollipop Land up there in Oregon?

Perhaps in your crusade to bring out the facts you should be fair and balanced and delve into the facts regarding the corruption within the state of Oregon's child theft system...

Subject: Ruth Christines... Autobiography

From: doulajen@yahoo.com (jen)
Date: 9/15/01 9:53 PM Eastern Daylight Tim
Message-id:

I am 28 years old.

The first 22 years of my life were spent in England. I grew up on a farm in Cornwall, South West, England.

Even when I was young, my parents instilled in me an interest in other countries, and I longed to travel. As young as six, I knew I would leave my family and all that I knew and go away.

I have always loved nature and the countryside. I remember taking countless walks to enjoy it. Often I would pray or sing to God when I was out walking.

My parents encouraged volunteer work. For several years I was a volunteer with a vacation programme for children with disabilities.

Through my early years I knew God was there and that I could talk to Him. It wasn t until I had reached a rebellious 18 that I recognised my need to be forgiven for my sins, and turned to Jesus.

When I was 19, I spent 6 months in Nepal, India, and Sri Lanka. Two months were spent teaching English as a volunteer at a Tibetan refugee camp in Nepal. In Nepal, I got my first glimpse of the live church, meeting people who had been persecuted for their faith.

I traveled alone through India to the island of Sri Lanka, where I visited my pen friend. While I was staying there, I volunteered at a day programme for children with disabilities and a Mother Theresa home for children and adults with disabilities. Then I traveled for one month in India and returned home.

In the fall I attended the University of Kent at Canterbury, and began a degree in sociology and anthropology, which I completed in 1995. In 1994, I met Brian Christine through the Christian Union, when he arrived for a year s study abroad from the U.S.A. Soon, after we met I became pregnant with our eldest daughter Bethany. Through this, we learned that God can turn our mistakes into the most wonderful blessings. We turned to God and He forgave us and promised that He would take care of the situation and that this baby would bring love, hope, joy, and peace.

Bethany Christine was born on 1st August 1995 to a happy Brian and Ruth. Then on 2nd September 1995, Brian and I were married in the village chapel, where I had grown up. Two months later, I came to the united States with my American husband, so that he could finish his schooling at Purdue University.

After getting his degree in photography, Brian worked as a photographer for a while, and then a couple of other jobs trying to earn a living. We attempted to by a house, but soon found that the payments were too high.

We decided that we wanted to spend more time together as a family. Brian had always dreamed of converting a bus and living in it--so we did. For a year, he worked really hard building the interior of our bus. It had to be gutted and insulated. Then we spent many hours sanding the floor and building the cabinets. Brian designed and built the whole thing, with beds, a kitchen area, a fridge, a sink and a potty. He plumbed it and wired it all.

Then we set out from Indiana to travel about the States for a while, most of which I had never seen, and some that Brian had never seen. (We are still residents of the State of Indiana.) We took our three daughters, Bethany, Lydia, and Miriam, to Disney World and to see the Atlantic Ocean. We saw the petrified forest, Carlsbad Caverns, the Grand Canyon, deserts and forests, Yosemite National Park and the Pacific Ocean, to name a few. We loved to travel and I wanted our daughters to see and experience new things.

Our girls really enjoyed the Northern California coast and its wildlife, especially the bright coloured starfish, sea lions, and sea otters. Lydia called the sea lions sea otters, and any other kind of mammals she saw in the water were sea otters, too.

Then we came to Oregon, and on 31st July 2000 our nightmare began when our three precious daughters were taken by Oregon Children s Services.

We were devastated; our children meant everything to us.

One day they were there, and the next they were gone.

We didn t see them again for eight months.

Because of the false accusations of globalists, fascists, lesbians, pedophiles, cultural communists and other assorted satanists in the STATE SPONSORED CHILD CARE SYSTEM of Oregon, the breakthrough state which brought in Assisted Suicide, the state of Oregonized crime, where one is "guilty until proven innocent," and because the duping of a gullible and deceived jury, this is the status:

"Consider how Brian and Ruth Christine must feel at this very moment, held in isolation and on suicide watch. They have lost everything....everything. Until yesterday, at least they still had each other. This verdict, however, is a state-mandated divorce, since she will be deported once released from prison and Brian will never be allowed a passport or entry to England (generally, no great loss, but that's where the three oldest Christine girls are, after all)." Souce

~Happy Mother's Day, Ruth *Christine! ~

Matt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you,
and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake*
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven:
for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

~~~
Mt 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these
my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
~~~
Pr 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just,
even they both are abomination to the LORD.

~ fall of the republic bump ~

I didn't bring lightstream here you bafoon.

I didn't bring anyone anywhere. I posted an article. Stop lying.

My, My. a little testy today are we?

As I recall your original post of the "Christine Sacrificed" was not an article, it was from an email from Michael Sieradzke. (Or perhaps you said it was from his wife, I'm not exactly sure, but it was not an article.) You are the person that brought his email to the FR. Many of us wondered who Michael S was and why this was relevant. You told us he was a witness to the Christine case. In another thread following your original post of the Christines Sacricficed you said the Michael was Lightstream. I suppose on a technicality (what is the definitiion of "is" type of logic) you can say you didn't bring him to the FR but that would be a stretch of the facts. His first posts here were on the original "The Christines Sacrificed" thread.

Two perps in prison bump.

In your world, what is satisfactory evidence of abuse?

Certainly not an emaciated child. Ever have a child who became dehydrated while trying to fight off a virus? It's a pretty scary thing. I almost lost my daughter before we got an IV into her arm...that sort of thing goes very quickly.

I still have not seen any evidence that Brian Christine was an abuser. If there was a 'fractured skull', was there evidence that Christine caused the fracture? I have a son that is lucky he survived childhood...he did things like go headfirst off of stairwells (he got a concussion), and stick his arm through plateglass windows (he almost bled to death, and required 3 surgeries to repair his nerves and tendons).

Does that make me an abuser? Sheeesh.

Certainly not an emaciated child.

How about three emaciated children suffering from long term malnutrition, one with a fractured skull and and a festering scalp wound?

Trying people in absentia if they refuse to appear for trial is fair game (being held in prison by authorities in another jurisdiction, however, does not constitute refusing to appear). The Constitution guarantees anyone accused of breaking the law, the opportunity of a trial. However, it is perfectly legal and reasonable to convict people in absentia if they refuse to show up for their trial. The Clintons' deep-pocketed buddy Marc Rich is one who sports such a conviction on his record. Also, Ira Einhorn, who murdered a young college girl with whom he was romantically involved, stuffed her body in a trunk, fled the country, and declined the court's invitation to return for his trial (last I heard we were still trying to extradite him from France, which won't hand him over 'cause he's due for the death penalty over here, and they think that's too harsh).

You went on but didn't answer the question. Your daughter got the care she required by your actions. The Christines did nothing for their children.

Brian swatted Lydia causing the forehead wound. The wound was allowed to become infected as the dressings were not changed and the wound was dirty. Much was made of Brian's Eagle Scout status by the Christine websites, attorney and supporters. Wasn't much of a Scout if he didn't care properly for his daughter's head wound after he caused it. He had the proper training but neglected to properly care for her wound.

The skull fracture went untreated by the Eagle Scout and wife. Blood often pools in the eardrum and other places causing complications, the Christines neglected to properly care for that wound too. Risking bacterial infections and loss of hearing among other possible effects. The fracture was discovered and treated by the doctors who cared for her immediately after she was placed in protective custody.

Mariam age 2 weighed 15 pounds, Lydia age 3 weighed 21 pounds and Bethany age 5 weighed 25 pounds. Grossly underweight, skin and bones. Not slender. Depraved of food. Not just one sick child, all three girls systematically denied food either by "religous fasting" or for disciplinary reasons. The weights are proof enough that they weren't fed properly for whatever reason.

So there is a brief picture of the parenting that you defend. You seemed to want to portray your parenting as similar to Brian's. Still want to do that?