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To: RonF
Which is why I'm saying that the Boy Scouts do not consider "Him" to refer to the God of Abraham.

That would be silly because capitalized Him and God specifically refers to the God of Abraham. If it didn’t the Oath should say “duty to god”. This is a point of contention National would rather choose to ignore. It’s presumed that the Native Americans were worshiping the same God as their creator. This still leaves the Budists as atheistic.

69 posted on 05/23/2002 9:59:06 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Well, again, I'm perfectly willing to accept that at it's creation, the founders of the BSA meant the Judeo-Christian God. However, starting when the Mormon Church started sponsoring BSA units in either 1912 or 1916 (I forget ...), they've accepted non-Judeo/Christian faiths as well. So National got away from accepting solely believers in the God of Abraham very early.

It’s presumed that the Native Americans were worshiping the same God as their creator.

Are you saying that it's presumed that the Native Americans were worshipping the Judeo-Christian God? By whom?

This still leaves the Buddhists as atheistic.

I'm not knowledgable enough about the Buddhist doctrine to be able to say whether or not they are atheistic. I will say that I had not thought that non-belief in a mono- or polytheistic Godhead made one an atheist. I thought that as long as you believed yourself accountable to some kind of supernatural system wherein your soul had existence past the purely material plane, you weren't an atheist. But I'm no theologian, and don't want to debate the point. You could be right, Buddhists may well be definable as atheists, I don't know.

But that bolsters my point, actually. I do know that Hindus, Buddhists, Mormons, etc., are all considered Scouts in good standing, and they are eligible to wear the religious education awards given out by their faiths on the BSA uniform. In fact, Scouts in units sponsored by Judeo-Christian religious sponsors form a minority of the BSA. Mormons are about 1 out of every 8 Scouts (about equal to the Lutherans), and Scouts in secularly sponsored units (VFW, Lions Clubs, etc.) form about 45% to 50% of Scouts. That's a majority even before you throw in the units sponsored by the Buddhists, Hindus, Moslems, etc.

It would be interesting to challenge National and tell them that they have betrayed the ideals of the BSA's founders by accepting anyone but Jews and Christians. I wonder what they'd say?

72 posted on 05/23/2002 2:45:43 PM PDT by RonF
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