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Bush and Clinton and 911- some facts...
various links | 5-17-02 | backhoe

Posted on 05/18/2002 5:00:16 AM PDT by backhoe

Just so we all have a wealth of facts & information, I went back and gleaned so links for you all to use:

Bush Hits Back at Critics

Why I Am Angry About the Bush Revelations

PROOF--Clinton Admitted "Legacy" Was More Critical Than bin Laden's Threats

Bush rebukes 'second-guessers' [White House on the Offensive, Democrats brace for a backlash]

[Backlash]: Clinton got '99 warning on hijacking crash threat

Clinton Discounts 1999 Report That Warned of Possible Suicide Hijackings Into Federal Buildings

It's the Democrats' version of a political suicide bombing...

Mansoor Ijaz discusses the Clinton administration's failure to deal with Osama bin Laden

Hannity & Colmes 17 May 2002 "Mansoor Ijaz explains!

'Leak' sets off feeding frenzy

BIN LADEN-GATE WITNESS DARES DEMS: "DEPOSE ME ON CLINTON 9-11 COVER-UP"

How the Left Undermined America's Security

It Looks Like Some Top Democrats are Backing Away From Accusations of Bush Mishandlement of 9/11

FED REPORT WARNED OF AL QAEDA KAMIKAZE THREAT: [BUT CLINTON'S ENERGIES ABSORBED WITH MONICA]
Chronology of pre-Sept. 11 intelligence on threats (via Condoleezza Rice)

DRUDGE FLASHBACK 1998: BIN LADEN TERROR WARNING FOR NY AND DC

U.S. warned in 1995 of plot to hijack planes, attack buildings

Clinton Warned on Bin Laden Hijack-Kamikaze Plot

The Saudi-Terror Subsidy

ALERT NY JEWS! HILLARY CLINTON COVERS UP $$$ & SUPPORT from PRO-ARAB TERRORIST GROUPS [Free Republic]

(Hillary) Clinton campaign to return $50,000 from Muslim fund-raiser [Free Republic]
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KEYWORDS: 911; clinton; terrorism
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To: backhoe
Here's a hearty bump in hopes that your PC holds up and that the demented democrat leadership gets Enron-ed on their latest new low.
61 posted on 05/18/2002 8:12:01 PM PDT by harpo11
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To: backhoe
If you get a chance watch C-SPAN with David Horowicz. The transcript is posted here:

Pointing the Finger

62 posted on 05/18/2002 8:18:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'll include this from the thread at the link above:

To remind our readers of the facts that the left is eager to forget, we are re-running my pamphlet "How the Left Undermined America's Security." You can also catch me on C-Span Saturday night at 9:30PM and 12:30 AM EST (6:30 PM and 9:30 AM PST). I think I will put a note on Breaking News ! :

63 posted on 05/18/2002 8:24:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: willyone
The Bent One wishes he looked like Elvis. He is a troll.
64 posted on 05/18/2002 8:43:47 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Snow Bunny
Thanks for checking in!
65 posted on 05/19/2002 2:32:46 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: RobFromGa
Rob, you know you'll get no argument from me... I think it was Marshall McKluen (?) who said "the media is the message" years ago... well, what the Media is nowadays is, the problem!

The press is bad enough, but the entertainment industry works hand-in-glove with them to tell people what's cool, what's to be emulated, and what's to be despised.

Not only do we all need to tell everyone what we learn here, we need to get everybody we know to bypass the corrupt, celebrity-worshipping media, get on the web, listen to talk radio, and get their own news. Without the filters.

66 posted on 05/19/2002 2:43:15 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: b4its2late
Thanks for "looking & booking"- you know, I hear more & more callers to talk radio using words, phrases, and headlines that seem to come straight from the 'net, and even Free Republic. Even my local shows- which was rare maybe a year ago. We are making progress!
67 posted on 05/19/2002 2:47:44 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: AuntB
AuntB, I really think the web- if we can keep greedy & fearful politicians from taxing & regulating it into silence- will be a bigger explosion of human knowledge than the invention of moveable type was.

When I was a teenager, in order to learn something, you asked somebody else or bought a book... my nieces just get on the web, and can't imagine a time when they couldn't- and I think it's wonderful.

68 posted on 05/19/2002 2:53:57 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: ~EagleNebula~
Neighbor, I'm doin' what I can... where is that dang link? Just FYI--

-Educate Yourself!!!-- Part III-

Some links are probably dead, but I think most are good.

69 posted on 05/19/2002 2:57:59 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: harpo11
your PC holds up and that the demented democrat leadership gets Enron-ed on their latest new low...

I'm holding forth from the "better" PC- the 130 mhtz 486- since the wife's still asleep.

I think Enron will be the model here- so much more dirt, crime, and corruption points right back at the Dems & the clintons, and thanks to the web and talk radio, it is being disseminated all over the country- that I believe they will quickly try to shut Pandora's Box.

70 posted on 05/19/2002 3:03:13 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for that link, and here's what I grabbed at random:

"Whatever excuses the Clintonites can make, they cannot argue that the threat wasn't clear, that the solution wasn't proposed, that a strategy for success hadn't been outlined. Everything necessary to prevent September 11 had been proposed in private and in public, in government reports and on op-ed pages, for eight long years. The Clinton Administration simply refused to do anything serious about the threat."

71 posted on 05/19/2002 3:07:06 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach;all
I just found more relevant info... here's the link:

Old CBS news page with Bush Bashing

and in case the link/page goes dead, here's the page:


CBS News | ’96 Hint Of Suicide Hijack Scheming | May 18, 2002 09:02:30

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’96 Hint Of Suicide Hijack Scheming

WASHINGTON, May 18, 2002



From right to left: President Bush, Tom Daschle, Dick Gephardt, Osama bin Laden (CBS/AP)



“Our nation is not well served when the charges of `partisan politics' is leveled at those who simply seek information that the American people need and deserve to know”
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Mr. Bush makes his case. (CBS)



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(CBS) The White House dug in for a protracted political battle as new details emerged about a 1999 report to U.S. intelligence that predicted terrorists might try to fly airliners into government buildings. And the FBI learned in 1996 of similar planning by terrorists, according to The New York Times.

The Times also says in its Saturday editions that the FBI had been aware for several years that Al Qaeda-linked men were training as pilots in the United States and elsewhere.

The Washington Post said Saturday that a top-secret briefing memo presented to President Bush in 1998 focused on efforts by Osama bin Laden to strike at targets in the U.S.

And the Los Angeles Times on Saturday named the Phoenix FBI agent who became suspicious about Middle Eastern men taking flying lessons in the U.S., and quotes colleagues as saying Kenneth Johnson is such a good agent that his warnings should have been heeded.

The F.B.I. knew by 1996 of a specific threat that terrorists in bin Laden's network might use a plane in a suicide attack against the headquarters of the C.I.A. or another large federal building in the Washington area, law enforcement officials acknowledged to The New York Times.

In his 1996 confession, a Pakistani terrorist, Abdul Hakim Murad, said he planned to use the training he received at flight schools in the U.S. to fly a plane into C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Va., or another federal building, the Times reports.

Murad, who was captured in the Philippines in 1995 and convicted in New York on charges of conspiring to blow up 12 American jumbo jets over the Pacific at the same time, received flight training at schools in New York, North Carolina, California and Texas, the Times says.

Information from that confession formed a basis for the analysis prepared for U.S. intelligence agencies in 1999 warning that bin Laden-associated terrorists could hijack a jet and fly it into government buildings such as the Pentagon, the Times adds.

But the officials told the newspaper that the FBI had discounted the possibility of a suicide attack using planes, partly because it had largely failed to draw together evidence gathered piecemeal over time that Al Qaeda pilots were training here.

Last week, the F.B.I. acknowledged the existence of a memo written last summer in which an agent in its Phoenix office (the agent identified by the Los Angeles Times as Johnson) urged his superiors to investigate Middle Eastern men who had enrolled at American flight schools and who might be connected to bin Laden, the New York Times says.

The Washington Post reports that a 1998 memo to the president was entitled, “Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S” and focused mainly on past efforts by the alleged terrorist mastermind to infiltrate the U.S. and hit targets here.

The document, known as the President's Daily Briefing, underscored that bin Laden and his followers hoped to "bring the fight to America," in part as retaliation for U.S. missile strikes on al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan in 1998, the Post quotes knowledgeable sources as saying.

Mr. Bush had specifically asked for an intelligence analysis of possible al Qaeda attacks within the U.S., because most of the information presented to him over the summer about al Qaeda focused on threats against U.S. targets overseas, sources told the Post.

But one source said the White House was disappointed because the analysis lacked focus and did not present fresh intelligence.

Federal law enforcement sources told the Los Angeles Times that the FBI agent who wrote the memo warning about Islamic extremists in U.S. flight schools is a mild-mannered 10-year veteran with a gift for counterterrorism.

The Phoenix-based agent, named by the Times as Kenneth Williams, couldn’t be reached for comment by the newspaper about the July 2001 warning, and FBI spokesmen in Phoenix and Washington would not confirm that Williams was the one who wrote the memo.

But his former colleagues at the FBI told the L.A. Times that Williams' knowledge of terrorism alone should have been enough for superiors to immediately act on his suspicions. "Nobody listened to him," the Times quotes one top former FBI official as saying.

In Washington, while Democrats demanded answers about possible administration missteps in handling early warning signs, the administration sought to put related criticism of Mr.Bush out of bounds.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Friday: “I think that any time anybody suggests or implies to the American people that this president had specific information that could have prevented the attacks on our country on September 11, that crosses the lines.”

But reports surfaced that two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, during the Clinton administration, an analysis prepared for U.S. intelligence warned, “Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaida's Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA or the White House.”

Until the 1999 report became public, the Bush administration had asserted that no one in government had envisioned a suicide hijacking before it happened.

Democrats suggested an expansion of inquiries into what the White House and federal law enforcement knew about possible terror attacks and when they knew it.

“Our nation is not well served when the charges of `partisan politics' is leveled at those who simply seek information that the American people need and deserve to know,” said House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, a Democrat from Missouri.

Democrats insisted their motive was simply to help avoid Sept. 11-like attacks in the future.

Fleischer said the administration was aware of the 1999 report prepared by the Library of Congress for the National Intelligence Council, which advises the president and U.S. intelligence on emerging threats.

He said the document did not contain direct intelligence pointing toward a specific plot, but rather included assessments about how terrorists might strike.

“What it shows is that this information that was out there did not raise enough alarm with anybody,” Fleischer acknowledged.

Former President Clinton, golfing Friday in Hawaii, also played down the intelligence value of the 1999 report.

“That has nothing to do with intelligence,” he said. “All that it says is they used public sources to speculate on what bin Laden might do. Let me remind you that's why I attacked his training camp and why I asked the Pakistanis to go get him, and why we contracted with some people in Afghanistan to go get him because we thought he was dangerous.”

Fleisher reprimanded Democratic members of Congress by name, but singled out a speech by Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Senate floor Thursday for particular criticism.

Mr. Bush commented on the controversy for the first time Friday, calling Washington “the kind of place where second guessing has become second nature.”

"Had I know that the enemy was going to use airplanes to kill on that fateful morning, I would have done everything in my power to protect the American people," Mr. Bush told U.S. Air Force Academy football team members who were visiting the White House on Friday.

CBS News Senior White House Correspondent Bob Schieffer reports that other top officials were less forthcoming. The usually talkative Attorney General John Ashcroft just stared when reporters asked him about the terror warnings. FBI Chief Robert Mueller also refused to comment.

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, a Democrat from South Dakota, said the president was missing the point. “I think the question is, why didn't he know? If the information was made available, why was he kept in the dark? If the president of the United States doesn't have access to this kind of information, there's something wrong with the system.”

More details also surfaced revealing the White House was in the midst of plotting a strike against al-Qaida when the terrorist attacks occurred.

The White House acknowledged publicly for the first time this week that before the attacks Mr. Bush's foreign policy team had devised a strategy to dismantle Osama bin Laden's network with military and intelligence operations. The plan was finished Sept. 4, but it never got to the president's desk for approval.

A proposed presidential directive outlined an extensive CIA program to arm anti-Taliban forces in Afghanistan. The plan, which later became the cornerstone of Mr. Bush's response to the attacks, was approved by the president's team Sept. 4 and was awaiting his review after a trip to Florida that began Sept. 10.

White House officials say there were vague, uncorroborated threats of hijackings in the spring and summer of 2001, but they insist there was no reason to believe terrorists would slam hijacked planes into buildings.

Democrats noted that suicide hijackings were not unthinkable before Sept. 11. There has been evidence of plots to slam planes into the Eiffel Tower, U.S. targets and even an economic summit in Genoa, Italy, attended by Mr. Bush last year.

As the administration dealt with the growing criticism, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said more terrorist attacks on America are probable.

“The likelihood is — because it's not possible to defend at every place at every moment — that there will be another terrorist attack. We should just face that reality,” he said.

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72 posted on 05/19/2002 4:25:43 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: gov_bean_ counter;all
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Warnings from the CIA: Could Bush Have Prevented Sept 11th?

73 posted on 05/19/2002 4:36:33 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Wow, great work

I do believe that our government knew (knows) a lot more than we'll ever find out.

If clinton had warnings, so did bush

74 posted on 05/19/2002 4:42:50 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: WhiteGuy
Thanks for checking in. You can bet we'll never get the full story- no disagreement there.
75 posted on 05/19/2002 4:50:50 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Seriously, I have been thinking that it is terribly obvious that the democrat leadership is completely unaware of the deep seated love the right-wing has for our country, our President, our military, our traditions and way of life. They also underestimate the degree of our involvement and time spent keeping informed.

The democrat leadership assumes arrograntly that most people are either so stupid, or uninterested that they can let loose with all of this rank, vile and putrid allegation(s) against President Bush and no one will step forward in his defense.

Well, they had better wake-up quick. Just like in Florida, informed, active and aware republicans were not going to sit idly by and let Algore and his gang of leftists thugs steal an election.

There is always going to be criticism, valuable or just nitpicky. But this attack on the good character, integrity and honor of our President is so far beyond the pale that we must beat them back so hard that they will think twice before ever swaggering to the microphone and cameras with such slanderous lies.

The information you provided is extremely valuable in our fight against the sinworms of the democrat propaganda machine. This is powerful stuff.

76 posted on 05/19/2002 7:11:12 AM PDT by harpo11
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To: harpo11
I agree.... just an aside, I noticed something weird- the stories about this seem to be drying up. Reckon the Dems are taking polls and not liking what they are seeing?
77 posted on 05/19/2002 7:22:56 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
"How disgusting to use a child to throw your political crap. The left are the true Evil Doers of this country."

Not quite, but getting close to being like the Palestinians using children as suicide bombers.

78 posted on 05/19/2002 7:26:14 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Real Cynic No More
"Not quite, but getting close to being like the Palestinians using children as suicide bombers."

It only differs by degree. It's the same in intent. Hiding behind children.

79 posted on 05/19/2002 7:31:15 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Real Cynic No More
No argument here... & here's why i'm brief:

FYI, I'm holding forth from my "contingency PC"- which I use when my wife's on the "better" 486 in the kitchen.

I assembled this thing from old parts starting in January, and it's fought all of the way.
I began with an IBM 'opal' motherboard- 66 mHtz CPU, and 4 mb of RAM.... upgraded to 16, the max the board can hold without SIMM stackers.

The floppies were salvaged from a 386 used as a doorstop, the hard drive is a 210 mb Conner from a junk IBM, the modem's a USR 33.6k sportster. OS's have been DOS 6.22, Win 3.1, and finally Win 95, upgraded to 95a over the web.

And the keyboard sticks, the track ball is gritty, and the dang thing is slow.... but it works more or less like the other one.
and that's why there may be weird typos- it's hard to go back & correct easily!

80 posted on 05/19/2002 7:50:01 AM PDT by backhoe
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