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Catholic Bishops Refuse Communion To Homosexual Activists
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 5/20/02 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 05/20/2002 3:06:17 AM PDT by kattracks

Pacific Rim Bureau (CNSNews.com) - "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve," the Roman Catholic bishop of Australia's largest city told his congregation Sunday morning, minutes after refusing to give communion to homosexual and lesbian activists.

"Homosexual acts are contrary to the natural law, they close the sexual act to the gift of life," Archbishop George Pell told Catholics gathered for Pentecost Sunday Mass at St. Mary's Cathedral in Sydney.

In an orchestrated move, 20 members of a group campaigning for the church to give full recognition to homosexual Catholics had earlier gone forward for communion, while another 12 did the same St. Patrick's Cathedral in another major city, Melbourne.

Each member of the Rainbow Sash Movement (RSM) wore a rainbow-colored sash over their clothing. In both churches they were denied communion, although in Melbourne, Archbishop Denis Hart did offer the sash-wearers a blessing.

Although the bids failed, a spokesman for the group said Monday they were heartened to hear that similar attempts made by RSM members in several cities in the U.S. Sunday had met with success.

In New York, Chicago, Minneapolis and Rochester, spokesman Michael Kelly said, homosexual and lesbian members wearing the sashes said they had received communion. RSM was formed in Australia, but now has chapters in a handful of U.S. cities, too.

Kelly, a former Franciscan seminarian, attributed the discrepancy to "confusion" in the church hierarchy about how to handle the issue of homosexuals.

Because some priests had knowingly given communion to homosexuals, while others had refused to, the organization was now considering "an appeal to Rome."

"Refusal to give communion is the second most serious sanction in church life, after excommunication. So it's a very rare and very important sanction that's been imposed on us."

Kelly, who was part of the Sydney group in Sunday's protest, said the group had donned their sashes during the introductory hymn, as a symbol of their desire to "embrace our sexuality as a sacred gift."

They then participated in the service as usual, but when they had approached the altar for communion, Pell had told them, "I can't help you."

The bishop had not offered them a blessing either. If he had done so, it would have been seen as a "token gesture," Kelly said, but nonetheless one that would have said to the group: "We don't completely reject you."

They then returned to their pews, where they stood "in silent protest" while other communicants returned to their places and knelt, as is traditional.

A short while later, Pell read out a prepared statement, he said.

In the statement, a copy of which was provided by the Archdiocese of Sydney Monday, Pell said he deeply regretted that people professing the Catholic faith would mount "an ideological demonstration" during Mass, and particularly at communion time.

Any Catholic who publicly defined himself as "supporting or practicing activities contrary to church teaching in a serious matter is not entitled to receive Holy Communion."

The same would apply to a married person living in adultery, he added.

Pell said church teaching on sexuality was "clear and unequivocal, and derives from natural moral law, which we believe is unchanging ... God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, and important consequences follow from this."

Kelly said Monday he found the comment "childish" and "unhelpful," not something worthy of a major church leader.

He charged that the current child-sex abuse scandal in the church in the U.S. and elsewhere was the result of the church hierarchy's refusal to bring matters of sexuality out into the open.

The RSM would continue to campaign to be allowed to participate fully and openly in the life of the church, Kelly said. Homosexuals had been involved in the church for centuries, he added, but their participation had taken place under a "code of silence and invisibility."

Although Kelly said church leaders had ignored nine written appeals for dialogue over the past five years, Pell in his statement said he would "continue to dialogue privately and publicly with those who think differently" about church teaching on marriage and family.

He also said he would pray for the protestors.

"Although human weakness is universal and God's mercy infinite, the path to happiness and heaven for a Catholic does not lie in seeking to re-interpret what is right and wrong," the bishop said.

"Rather, one should commit oneself, in good faith, to the church and its teachings and work towards following these teachings as closely as possible."

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1 posted on 05/20/2002 3:06:17 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
The whole homosexual issue aside, I as a priest definitely wouldn't give communion to someone in my church trying to use communion to make a political statement. Come back next week without the sash and act appropriately, and then you can have communion.

Kudos to the priest for not letting them get away with politicizing communion. Kudos to the other parishioners for having enough restraint not to beat the crap out of them during the service either.

2 posted on 05/20/2002 3:18:09 AM PDT by Quila
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To: Quila
Come back next week without the sash and act appropriately, and then you can have communion.

Oh really?! This is what the Bible says about taking communion:

I Corinthians 11:25-29 "In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.'' For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.

This is extremely clear, if you take communion when living in gross immorality (homosexual lifestyle), you come under judgment.

3 posted on 05/20/2002 3:32:52 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: kattracks
Archbishop Denis Hart did offer the sash-wearers a blessing.

Why? To make them "feel good" about their immoral lifestyle choice? They are under the curse of God. Maybe if this Archbishop really cared about them he would make sure they understood that.

4 posted on 05/20/2002 3:38:53 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: kattracks
Another example of 'homos doing what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.'

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5 posted on 05/20/2002 3:48:13 AM PDT by JCG
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To: AmericaUnited
This is extremely clear, if you take communion when living in gross immorality (homosexual lifestyle), you come under judgment.

The first item bolded is clear that "unworthy manner" applies to these guys' attempt to politicize communion. The second is a bit vague, and could apply to any "sinner."

Still, what were these people thinking? Is it okay to politicize any solemn occasion for your pet cause these days? (an other-side example is Fred Phelps picketing homosexual funerals)

6 posted on 05/20/2002 4:00:12 AM PDT by Quila
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To: kattracks
this is good news...

homosexuality has to be kept out of the church...

about time...

too bad the Bishops didn't do this years ago - for if they had - all this homosexual stuff in the catholic church would not be happening...

7 posted on 05/20/2002 4:01:21 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: Quila
I as a priest definitely wouldn't give communion to someone in my church trying to use communion to make a political statement. Come back next week without the sash and act appropriately, and then you can have communion.

Then you are equally as guilty when you knowingly give the Body of Christ to those who receive Communion in the state of mortal sin.

8 posted on 05/20/2002 4:03:13 AM PDT by Orual
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To: ex con
e presumption is that any who requests communion is in a state where they can recieve it.

Then you are equally as guilty when you knowingly give the Body of Christ...

The operative word is "knowingly".

11 posted on 05/20/2002 4:37:27 AM PDT by Orual
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To: kattracks
Never mind that the Bishop refused Communion to Homosexuals with sashes making a political Statament, How about the facts stated by Sipe and Cozzens in their books that the priesthood is as much as 50 % Homosexual.

In a survey by a priest of 50 Homosexual Priests, Sipe states "that only 4 were celebate, 10% had more than 10 sexual Partners and 22% had 500 Sexual Partners or more".

Are We to presume that it is OK for these Homosexual priests to be on the Alter celebrating Mass with all that is implied.

Our whole idea of right and wrong is upside down.

No one Knows who of these people are celebate and who are not, unless major changes are made, the Church is in for a long Dark period.

How can any Homosexuals be allowed to be Priests much less 50% of the total.

12 posted on 05/20/2002 4:37:55 AM PDT by chatham
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To: chatham
Never mind that the Bishop refused Communion to Homosexuals with sashes making a political Statament, How about the facts stated by Sipe and Cozzens in their books that the priesthood is as much as 50 % Homosexual.

100% of the Catholics I surveyed (myself) think that number is bovine excrement

13 posted on 05/20/2002 4:54:07 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: ex con
Now with the sashes on, the priest had a reason to deny communion.

As to anyone with an agenda (pro-abortion, hit-man,etc.) and wearing a 'sign' of their intention to continue in sin.

14 posted on 05/20/2002 5:48:24 AM PDT by cotton
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To: chatham
How about the facts stated by Sipe and Cozzens in their books that the priesthood is as much as 50 % Homosexual.

Those are estimates, not facts. If Cozzens is basing his estimate on his experience while running St. Mary's Seminary and he did nothing to expel homosexual seminarians, thus violating the 1961 Vatican decree against ordaining homosexuals, then he is part of the problem and should be defrocked himself.

How can any Homosexuals be allowed to be Priests much less 50% of the total.

The Vatican formally stated in 1961 that homosexuals are not to be ordained. Those bishops who have thumbed their nose at the Vatican should be defrocked. Why do you keep capitalizing the word homosexual?

15 posted on 05/20/2002 5:57:45 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: chatham, catholicguy
How can any Homosexuals be allowed to be Priests much less 50% of the total.

A: Liberal Seminaries

16 posted on 05/20/2002 6:34:06 AM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Quila
Forgive me for being presumptuous but I think you forgot one thing -- before they return they need to go to another sacrament - The Sacrament of Reconciliation.
17 posted on 05/20/2002 6:34:59 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: victim soul
before they return they need to go to another sacrament - The Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Exactly correct and to receive absolution they must have perfect contrition and promise not to engage in any homosexual activity.

18 posted on 05/20/2002 6:37:42 AM PDT by Orual
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To: chatham
In a survey by a priest of 50 Homosexual Priests, Sipe states "that only 4 were celebate, 10% had more than 10 sexual Partners and 22% had 500 Sexual Partners or more".

The communion issue shouldn't be complicated. If you are a chaste homosexual, or one who has sought forgiveness and truly repented from past homosexual activity, then you should be given communion. If you are promoting or condoning sin (i.e., homosexual activity), then you shouldn't. These people in Australia are fighting for acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle (rampant homosexual activity). As such, communion should be denied. - But then, the same should hold true for priests. An active unrepentant homosexual priest should not be allowed to carry out his priestly duties, and should not be given communion. The Church needs to 1) root out homosexually active priests (maybe 20-30% of the priesthood?), 2) make it clear to those lay people who are homosexually active or who are supporting those who are that they are sinning, 3) over time, reduce the number of homosexual (chaste) priests to the percentage in the population as a whole (2,3%), or lower, 4) never allow priests to be alone with children, 5) have zero tolerance for child abuse.

19 posted on 05/20/2002 6:55:01 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: mijo
it's about time the church stood up and fought back particularly against these homo activist creeps.

The Church's leadership is chock-a-block full of cowards.

21 posted on 05/20/2002 7:09:41 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: victim soul
before they return they need to go to another sacrament - The Sacrament of Reconciliation.

According to the Pope's last word on the subject, you'd think a Catholic would.

22 posted on 05/20/2002 7:11:15 AM PDT by Quila
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To: kattracks;one_particular_harbour
"Although human weakness is universal and God's mercy infinite, the path to happiness and heaven for a Catholic does not lie in seeking to re-interpret what is right and wrong," the bishop said.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.The Church has active homosexuals and child abusers not only taking communion but "consecrating "the common wafer....and those Bishops know it..

The perverts can consecrate it but unless they are ordained they can not take it...unbelievable

They need to deal honestly with the issue within the ranks of priests before they can honestly make a public statement like above...IMHO

23 posted on 05/20/2002 7:20:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: yendu bwam
...it's about time the church stood up and fought back particularly against these homo activist creeps. The Church's leadership is chock-a-block full of cowards.

Nowadays that seems to be the case with darn near all main stream religions.

24 posted on 05/20/2002 7:42:55 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: kattracks
Kelly, a former Franciscan seminarian, attributed the discrepancy to "confusion" in the church hierarchy about how to handle the issue of homosexuals.

Since the top of the Church's org. chart is G-d, I don't think there is any confusion in the hierarchy. There may be confusion in the ranks, but it would be a good idea if the ranks would get it straight, as the CEO has a habit of being very harsh with those who are supposed to know better.

I'm not a Catholic theologan, but I would be very, very, very careful before giving any holy sacrament to anyone who had openly rejected a relationship with G-d. I don't think G-d would punish the petitioner, but the giver of the sacrament might want to be standing near a lightning rod.

Shalom.

25 posted on 05/20/2002 7:49:08 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: AmericaUnited
Lots of people receive Communion unworthily, but it is no business of the priest, unless the person is wearing a sign or a sash that declares that the person is receiving unworthily, as was the case with this demonstration.
26 posted on 05/20/2002 7:53:45 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: RnMomof7
They need to deal honestly with the issue within the ranks of priests before they can honestly make a public statement like above...IMHO

To expect the priesthood to be free of sinners before any given priest can speak the Truth on morals is to wait for the impossible.

The Truth is being spoken, and you have nothing but criticism.

SD

27 posted on 05/20/2002 8:03:08 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Siobhan,patent
FYI BUMP
28 posted on 05/20/2002 8:06:26 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: RnMomof7
They need to deal honestly with the issue within the ranks of priests before they can honestly make a public statement like above

You're making a fallacy of composition. Archbishop Pell is responsible for his own diocese, not anyone else's. Do you have the slightest shred of evidence that he knowingly tolerates active homosexuals or child molesters among his priests? Of course you don't. So what you're doing is impugning a man for the sins of others. Where I come, that's a sin all by itself.

John 8:7.

29 posted on 05/20/2002 8:13:22 AM PDT by Campion
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30 posted on 05/20/2002 8:16:05 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: RnMomof7
Hypocrisy at it's finest.The Church has active homosexuals and child abusers not only taking communion but "consecrating "the common wafer....and those Bishops know it..

The perverts can consecrate it but unless they are ordained they can not take it...unbelievable

They need to deal honestly with the issue within the ranks of priests before they can honestly make a public statement like above...IMHO

Coming from you this is quite a mouthful. You have been one of the biggest hypocrites on this site recently. When someone you disagree with makes a personal attack you are quick to condemn them, but when its one of your friends, you can’t bring yourself to say a word, no matter how nasty it is. Once again:

To: RnMomof7

You came out of no where with words intended to be hurtful and judgmental .I say look at the plank in your eye Pastor..
The funny thing here is that you have absolutely no problem, and no hesitation, in judging Xzins’ words. Yet, you couldn’t bring yourself to so much as mutter a mute criticism of the_doc’s diatribe. Your justifications were were hypocritical throughout the course of that discussion.

You are proving it yet again. You are willing to judge anyone you disagree with, but if someone in your group acts badly, you do not have the ability to condemn it. Morality does not change depending on who is doing the name calling.

patent  +AMDG

472 posted on 5/17/02 9:48 AM Central by patent
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31 posted on 05/20/2002 8:25:36 AM PDT by patent
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To: patent
God bless Archbishop Pell!
33 posted on 05/20/2002 8:36:22 AM PDT by ELS
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To: kattracks
Kelly said Monday he found the comment "childish" and "unhelpful," not something worthy of a major church leader.

He charged that the current child-sex abuse scandal in the church in the U.S. and elsewhere was the result of the church hierarchy's refusal to bring matters of sexuality out into the open.

The RSM would continue to campaign to be allowed to participate fully and openly in the life of the church, Kelly said. Homosexuals had been involved in the church for centuries, he added, but their participation had taken place under a "code of silence and invisibility."

This is funny, pathetic and tragic.

34 posted on 05/20/2002 8:46:20 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: kattracks
as a symbol of their desire to "embrace our sexuality as a sacred gift."

There is nothing sacred about their "DEPRAVED SEX ACTS". Their behavior is contrary to the natural law. If you refuse to accept Roman Catholic moral theology then go to the Episcopal church. They are embracing all of you. And take all our liberal priests and bishops with you.

35 posted on 05/20/2002 8:54:36 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Aquinasfan
The RSM would continue to campaign to be allowed to participate fully and openly in the life of the church, Kelly said. Homosexuals had been involved in the church for centuries, he added, but their participation had taken place under a "code of silence and invisibility."

Its really time to start excommunicating! This is way out of hand!

36 posted on 05/20/2002 8:56:23 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Quila
I as a priest definitely wouldn't give communion to someone in my church trying to use communion to make a political statement.

Are you a priest?

If so, father, I wouldn't give them communion until I heard their confession. Unrepentant sin is unforgivable until repented. I agree with AmericaUnited in post #3.

37 posted on 05/20/2002 9:02:26 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: AmericaUnited
I think that it was right and appropriate to deny communion, but offer a blessing. All sinners can repent; homosexuals can change their ways. To bless them -- because God loves them even when they adopt sinful ways -- is to love them, and we are called on to love ALL people regardless of their circumstance in life or their blatantly sinful practices.

I'm deeply saddened that some churches in America allowed the homosexuals to receive communion. It didn't happen in my church, but we have a fairly conservative parish. Pentecost was absolutely incredible. I felt magnificent when I left Church yesterday, and I felt like I had been away for weeks, rather than just one week. It was truly a blessed Mass, and I hope others had a similar experience.

God bless.

38 posted on 05/20/2002 9:14:50 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: RnMomof7
This bishop is on our side Mom. And yes, they should eliminate every actively homosexual clergy from the ranks. The Church's mandate of 1961 has been violated by infiltrators who have gained much ground and control.
39 posted on 05/20/2002 9:16:56 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: chatham; Catholicguy
The book is unsubstantiated and completely without merit. Even a Protestant psychologist who did a research project on homosexuality and pedophila in the priesthood said that AT THE MOST it was 6%, but likely 2-4%.

However, homosexuals tend to be far more promisicuous as a group and tend to have far more sexual partners than heterosexuals outside of marriage, and therefore it seems like the number is far higher because each of the homosexual priests claimed a greater number of victims.

May God purify His church and lead us to repent. God bless.

40 posted on 05/20/2002 9:18:27 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: victim soul
Forgive me for being presumptuous but I think you forgot one thing -- before they return they need to go to another sacrament - The Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Excellent point.

May the Holy Spirit during this remarkable time of Pentecost soften the hearts of homosexuals and other sexual deviants, lead them to examine their conscience, and help turn them against their sins and seek repentence from our Lord, Jesus Christ, through His Sacrament of Reconciliation, and may they rejoin our one body of Christ. Amen.

41 posted on 05/20/2002 9:21:07 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: sixtycyclehum
DING DING DING !!!
43 posted on 05/20/2002 9:37:38 AM PDT by Orual
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To: RnMomof7
Agreed. I deplore the disruptive tactics of the activists during a Mass, but the Church has put itself in a position where it can only deny them communion (or take any other action against them) by engaging in extreme hypocrisy. Shouldn't the bishops be fetching those proverbial motes out of their own eyes, before going after the beams in other people's?
44 posted on 05/20/2002 9:53:01 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: kattracks
"God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve,"


45 posted on 05/20/2002 9:58:52 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: kattracks
It's the totally awesome, soon-to-be cardinal, Archbishop George Pell !!!

I really wish he'd come to America -- and stay.

46 posted on 05/20/2002 10:07:02 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Gophack
Pentecost was absolutely incredible. I felt magnificent when I left Church yesterday, and I felt like I had been away for weeks, rather than just one week. It was truly a blessed Mass, and I hope others had a similar experience.

You bet I did! I couldn't believe it! I felt wonderful, and fearless in regards to the scandal. We will overcome this!

47 posted on 05/20/2002 10:12:27 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: ThomasMore
Are you a priest?

I was thinking of being vested in the Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn (PBUHH). :)

If so, father, I wouldn't give them communion until I heard their confession.

Yes my son, I have already agreed with someone else who reminded me of this requirement.

48 posted on 05/20/2002 10:12:33 AM PDT by Quila
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To: kattracks
Bump
49 posted on 05/20/2002 10:16:27 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: SkyPilot
The Truth About Homosexuals

Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

50 posted on 05/20/2002 10:19:57 AM PDT by EdReform
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