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Second Freeper Postal Match - Rifles
CapandBall | 05/20/02 | CapandBall

Posted on 05/20/2002 4:53:14 PM PDT by CapandBall

Following Free Republic's successful & fun first postal match (How about a Freeper Postal Match?) for pistols, I'm sponsoring a rifle match. A "postal match" is conducted by mail, hence the name "postal" and should not be confused with a contest that involves shooting up your co-workers in a rage.

Shooters in different parts of the country compete against each other in a contest of marksmanship. Shooters are mailed numbered targets which they shoot. The targets are returned via the mail (hence "postal") and scored. Obviously, the honor system comes into play here.

The rules (up to this point) for this match are as follows:

1> A rimfire and a centerfire rifle are required. You will need 30 rounds for each weapon.
2> Iron sights only. No scopes, red-dots, lasers, etc.
3> Diatance is 100 yards.
4> Ten shots each position; standing, sitting, and prone for each type of rifle.
5> Ten minutes for ten shots, each position.
6> The following are not allowed:
...a> match rifles
...b> match ammo
...b> use of spotting scopes between shots
...c> compitition type "cuffed" slings
...d> shooting jackest

You can see the result of the First Freeper Postal Match here: First Freeper Postal Match Results!

There are 6 targets total, all type SR-21, that you will receive in the mail. We have 8 confirmed for this match so far, and need 7 more to fill it out, 15 total. To date I have snail mail addresses for:

Shooter 2.5
NY.SS-Bar9
ctdonath2
umgud
KG9 Kid
chookter
M1911
CapandBall

Freep mail me with a mailing address if you are interested. We had some problems using regular mail in the last match, so I'll probley use priority mail. First come first serve.


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To: CapandBall
I got my targets yesterday. They are under my matress both to take the roll out of them and for good luck I guess...
201 posted on 06/05/2002 8:47:49 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Shooter 2.5
THX.....BTW, check out my next toy, Volquartsen Cheetah. I'm torn between .17 HMR or .22 WMR. How's your semi auto Italian revolver doing?
202 posted on 06/05/2002 8:48:31 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Jerry_M
Got my targets.... Are we still on for 21 June at Zia?

What time did we agree on?--I forget....

203 posted on 06/05/2002 8:53:31 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: CapandBall
I got the targets last week, any date in mind yet to have them turned in by? This is going to be a lot of fun! I'm using my AR15 and a ruger 10/22 borrowed from a friend at work.
204 posted on 06/05/2002 8:56:51 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: chookter
Yep, check your FreepMail.
205 posted on 06/06/2002 5:52:37 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: umgud
Wow! That looks like a 10/22 action in a pistol. I guess I would have to go with the .17

I never did adjust the sights on the Mateba. I had a call from a friend's daughter to come to the range and bring a gun she really liked to shoot. I had car trouble so I didn't shoot at all but I brought the Mateba along with the other pistol so they could try it. It's really funny that I don't get comments about it. It's more of a shock where they don't say a lot. It' more like stunned silence. I brought it to a steel man on man match and we just passed it around to shoot. Smiles all around because they could really see the potential in a match like that. Otherwise, it's pretty useless. I wish someone else would make a revolver with the barrel on the 6 O'clock position. That can't be that hard.

206 posted on 06/06/2002 6:24:44 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Tailback
I'm thinking Tuesday, July 9th as a return postmark date. That will give anyone away for the long 4th weekend time to get to the P.O.
207 posted on 06/06/2002 8:08:39 AM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Shooter 2.5; NY.SS-Bar9; ctdonath2; umgud; The KG9 Kid; chookter; M1911; Spunkets; in the Arena...
All,
I do believe everybody has gotten their targets, so lets make the official deadline postmark return date Tuesday, July 9th.

I got a Winchester model 68 .22 - 28" barrel, single feed bolt, which was my dads, bought in 1940. It is identical to the model 67 except it has rear peep sights and a front Redfield globe sight. My neighbor M1911 has a model 67 and we will be shooting this match togeather, both shooting Garands for the centerfire.

Good shooting everybody.

208 posted on 06/10/2002 2:01:52 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: CapandBall
Looks like a Mosin Ngant in 7.62 x 54 and a Ruger 10/22 for me. I took my rubber shoulder pad off my old shotgun and also have a muzzle brake for the Nagant, which kicks pretty hard. 30 postal match rounds plus practice rounds is not going to be pleasant.
209 posted on 06/10/2002 3:07:24 PM PDT by umgud
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To: umgud
I hear you. I shot some matches with a Mauser 8mm, which I'd guess kicks as bad as the Nagant. I was cringing the last ten shots.
210 posted on 06/10/2002 8:51:06 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: CapandBall
Great. I'm shooting a marlin .22 longrifle for the rimfire and a AR15 m4 for the centerfire. I am at a distinct disadvantage with my choices, especially the m4 which isn't exactly designed for extreme accuracy with a 16 inch barrel. I've always been lucky though so maybe the targets won't look brand new when I'm done.LOL
211 posted on 06/10/2002 9:02:53 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern
A 16" barrel is as accurate as the longer barrels at 100 yards. The extra velocity pays off at longer distances.

What you do lose is sight radius, making it a bit harder to line everything up properly.

212 posted on 06/11/2002 11:37:48 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: CapandBall
I got a Winchester model 68 .22 - 28" barrel, single feed bolt, which was my dads, bought in 1940. It is identical to the model 67 except it has rear peep sights and a front Redfield globe sight.

May I respectfully observe that this rifle sounds very similar to my Mossberg Model 44US... which was disallowed from the match for being of above-average accuracy?

213 posted on 06/12/2002 8:47:12 AM PDT by Oberon
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To: Oberon; shooter 2.5
By all means, let us allow shooter 2.5 decide this. I personally am not familar with the 44US and only know what I have read on the web:

Mossberg Model 44US
http://www.jouster.com/lanestips/mossberghistory.html

Winchester
model 67
http://www.sarcoinc.com/d160.html
http://www.treasurehuntarms.com/mimosaservices/antiqfirearms.htm

model 67 vs 68
http://www.e-gunparts.com/forum/readreply.asp?rep=11454&qt=12807&cat=10

If anyone can find other info on the the model 67 or 68, please post it.

214 posted on 06/12/2002 12:19:32 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Oberon; CapandBall
OK, here's the problem. The picture that I have of the 68 is that it was a take down model of the 67. The 67 even came with a smooth bore barrel. The picture of the 68 does not show a bull barrel or anything that looks like a match barrel. However, the picture also doesn't show anything that looks like match sights like was described.

Cap, I'm sorry but if you have a rifle that is a single feed with match sights, I'm going to have to ask you if what you have also has a heavy barrel. Again, if your model has a heavy barrel, you shouldn't use it for this match.

I think the next match is going to be stock Garands and 10/22's.

215 posted on 06/12/2002 1:34:46 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5; Oberon
OK, I'll post a picture tonight when I get home. Off hand I'd say it is not a heavy barrel. I'll post it side by side with a model 67. If it is deemed to be a heavy barrel I'll not use it, no problem...

I picked this gun up from my dad last weekend. I shot it jr NRA as a kid 35+ years ago. When I got home I went to my neighbors, M1911, and showed him the gun. He went to his gun safe, pulled out his model 67, and we compared them. They appeared identical in every way, except the sights.

More on the sights. These are not, according to my dad, the origional Winchester model 68 sights. He added them when he got it and they are, front and rear, Redfield. I have the origional Winchester sights in a box, as well as the Redfield box with 4-5 different front sight globes (I am amazed my dad can keep track of these things, especially stuff he got in 1940 when he was 12 y.o.)

So then I was curious about the difference between the two models, and after searching the web (and not finding anything), I posted the question at www.e-gunparts.com/forum about the difference between the 67 & 68.

216 posted on 06/12/2002 2:12:16 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: CapandBall
The information I had was out of one of my books. The only reason I knew that the Mossberg shouldn't be used was because I own one. I used a Micrometer on the Mossberg and the straight match barrel measures .750 or 3/4" at the muzzle. [I know. there's probably a hunting rifle with a tapered barrel that mikes out more than that. If there is, please keep it yourself. I'm confused enough] Let's use that as a base line. If the 69 measures that or more, I would suggest that you use another rifle.

I know it's difficult to say that an entry junior rifle like that shouldn't be considered alongside an Anschutz but I don't know how else we can make this fair for the guys who never even put their hunting rifles to paper after all these years.

217 posted on 06/12/2002 2:36:29 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
Dang... the only pic of the Winchester 68 that I can find is on a Geocities page and won't link. Take a look at: http://www.geocities.com/rudapa/guns_partial_collection3.jpg, it's the third from the top.

It appears that the 68 was the peep-sight version of the 67, though both of those rifles were drilled and tapped for the Lyman 57 micrometer rear sight that was available on the "target" (NOT "match") model of the detachable magazine model 69 (and later 69A) and tubular-magazine model 72 (and later 72A). There was a match rifle based on this design, it is the heavy-barrel version of the Model 75. It's the only one of the bunch that gets near the Mossberg M44US where barrel weight is concerned. Gun Parts Corp. lists only one barrel for the 68.

I hope this helps.

218 posted on 06/12/2002 3:39:05 PM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Charles Martel
Thanks. I don't think it has a heavy barrel but Cap is going to measure his and it will be up to that .750 inch measurement.

The next match will be a rock throwing contest.

I think that link shows my Mossberg pump at the top.

219 posted on 06/12/2002 4:24:08 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5; Oberon
Cool, measures about .6 inches.
http://cap-n-ball.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/p5180019.jpg
220 posted on 06/12/2002 8:28:38 PM PDT by CapandBall
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