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Why Israel's 'seruvniks' say enough is enough
The Observer ^ | May 19, 2002 | Michael Sfard

Posted on 05/21/2002 7:55:47 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven

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It takes moral courage to follow your conscience and go against the stream.
1 posted on 05/21/2002 7:55:51 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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Another bit of swill by Leftists, about Leftists.

It takes moral courage to follow your conscience and go against the stream.

Just ask Jihad John Walker! Whom, I assume, you also find a heroic figure.

2 posted on 05/21/2002 8:12:02 AM PDT by veronica
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Growing number?? GROWING???

Hmm.. really now! I haven't heard of a new one since 6 months ago! Somebody better get a handle on reality... or stop spreading this incredible swill.

3 posted on 05/21/2002 8:18:42 AM PDT by besieged
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It takes moral courage to follow your conscience and go against the stream.

That's why you're not on the west bank helping with the murder of Israelis, I guess.

I may be wrong. You may be there.

4 posted on 05/21/2002 8:18:48 AM PDT by Cachelot
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Hmm.. really now! I haven't heard of a new one since 6 months ago! Somebody better get a handle on reality... or stop spreading this incredible swill.

The article doesn't say when the latest refusenik joined, but it does mention that the group has grown rapidly and is now up to 462. That's not bad.

5 posted on 05/21/2002 8:26:14 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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400 Harvard and MIT Jew-hating professors (all Lefties of course) circulate a petition against Israel, the press has an orgy.

Over a thousand (I forget if it is 2 or 4) pro-Israel Harvard and MIT professors, led by Harvard President Lawrence Summers, sign a counter-petition the press snoozes.

400 (IF there are that many - I am dubious) refuseniks whine in Israel, the press has an orgy. Thousands serve, and circulate a counter-petition, the press snoozes.

6 posted on 05/21/2002 8:27:23 AM PDT by veronica
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The article doesn't say when the latest refusenik joined, but it does mention that the group has grown rapidly and is now up to 462.

They CLAIM there are 462. In fact, these characters held a meeting a couple of months and only slightly more than 200 :) showed up. Either there are not 462, or some of them do not have the stones to show up in public. And that 462 or so number has not changed in months.

7 posted on 05/21/2002 8:31:32 AM PDT by veronica
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If the figure of 462 is true that's less than 1 in a thousand reservists. Somehow I don't think the IDF is worried.

An extra 4000 reservists over and above those drafted volunteered for the last op.

9 posted on 05/21/2002 8:42:47 AM PDT by anapikoros
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Their numbers are less important than their message.
10 posted on 05/21/2002 8:45:39 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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It takes moral courage to follow your conscience and go against the stream.

Yeah, unfortunately very few Muslims have either courage or conscience, so they follow the steady stream of Islamic hate.

11 posted on 05/21/2002 9:11:42 AM PDT by liberalism=failure
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'seruvniks' translated = marxist idiot apologists for evil

No courage there, just infinite stupidity

12 posted on 05/21/2002 9:15:29 AM PDT by liberalism=failure
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The article doesn't say when the latest refusenik joined

Last I checked the list (a long while back) there were lots of multiple entries and lots of fake entries. Frauds, swindlers, your basic bottomfeeders. Of course you enjoy that collection.

Here's hoping that the Israeli govt does the sensible thing with the ones of them that actually are real: shoots them.

14 posted on 05/21/2002 9:29:14 AM PDT by Cachelot
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Their numbers are less important than their message.

Their message is "My name is Quisling". So is your message, come to think of it.

15 posted on 05/21/2002 9:31:10 AM PDT by Cachelot
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It figures that you would love these traitors. You are one and same with these types.
16 posted on 05/21/2002 9:48:56 AM PDT by ohioman
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Their message is "My name is Quisling". So is your message, come to think of it.

That's the exact opposite of the truth. The seruvniks refuse to betray Israel's ideals. They refuse to become quislings for the Israeli occupation. They are pro-Israel in the best sense of the word. I support American ideals of liberty and justice for all. That's why I oppose the Israeli occupation.

17 posted on 05/21/2002 10:00:06 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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I support American ideals of liberty and justice for all. That's why I oppose the Israeli occupation.

And how does the Israeli "occupation" go against those ideals?

Answer--it doesn't.

To defend the guilty is to betray the innocent. Whether it is your intention or not, you are on the side of evil.

18 posted on 05/21/2002 10:12:45 AM PDT by liberalism=failure
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And how does the Israeli "occupation" go against those ideals?

The article mentions some of the ways the Israeli occupation goes against the right of Palestinians to liberty and justice: "check-points in which thousands of Palestinians are being detained for hours and humiliated by young soldiers", "large-scale demolition of houses", "a state-sponsored policy of assassinations", "discriminatory laws for the sake of the illegal settlements".

To defend the guilty is to betray the innocent. Whether it is your intention or not, you are on the side of evil.

Look in the mirror when you say that.

19 posted on 05/21/2002 10:42:54 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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I think you're taking it wrong.

I admire those who stand up and question their government's actions, when done on legiotimate grounds (ie: moral, ethical, etc).

And the fact that the refuseniks have their day in court, while any counterparts in the PLO have their day with a bullet in the head, does more to make me sympathetic to Israel than any blind pro-zionist blah-blah that accuses anyone of being unamerican and fascist and pro-terrorist just because they do not worship israel.

I am against the current Israeli tactics, which are none too new. The PLO (just another mafia-clone) is in fact an Israeli creation as much as anyone's. I think they should have taken the recent opportunity, taken out Arafat and the PLO leadership, annexed the occupied territories, begin assimilation of the palestinians as future citizens (with fierce sedition laws and enforcement), and count on a larger, more prosperous and less troubled nation.

Idealism? Somewhat, but I am a firm believer in giving someone something to live for rather than die for.

20 posted on 05/21/2002 10:46:41 AM PDT by Cobra Scott
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