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no guns for pilots;They're Too Busy, or Something
The dreaded lewrockwell.com ^ | 5/22/02 | Tom White

Posted on 05/22/2002 4:04:56 AM PDT by from occupied ga

No Guns for Pilots; They’re Too Busy, or Something

by Tom White

A story by Jim Burns of CNSNews on May 21 said, "The federal government Tuesday said pilots will not be allowed to have guns in the cockpit on commercial airline flights." The main reason given seems to be that the pilots are too busy up there, intently studying dials and levers and all, such that to shoot at anybody who might want to steal their airplane would be a dangerous diversion.

This is another instance of the wonderful appreciation shown by Their Imperial Majesties of the average intelligence of the average voter. You know, IQ maybe 64. Their spokesperson on this latest outrage was John Magaw, an undersecretary with the Department of Transportation.

Anybody who flies at all knows that take-offs and landings require concentrated attention; but once up, the plane virtually flies itself. Remember that Lear jet that went for a couple of thousand miles without anyone alive on board before crashing finally somewhere up north when it ran out of fuel?

"After a lot consultation and realizing my experience in law enforcement, I will not authorize firearms in the cockpit," Magaw told the Senate Commerce Committee. Note the easy assumption of imperial authority and the diktat tone (didn’t we used to have a Congress tasked with defending the Constitution and making laws?). It appears that Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta and Homeland Security Chief Tom Ridge have also said they oppose the idea.

The pilots as a group are all for their carrying guns, and I feel quite sure all of us who fly would feel better knowing they are armed. We are all keenly aware we place our lives and fortunes in their hands as the door to the plane is bolted shut. What, then, makes them unworthy of having guns?

I think I know. They are not government. The rulebook for life in the New World to Come reads "Guns belong to government; the people should not be armed." That of course directly violates the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and even violates the spirit of John Ashcroft’s recent statement in defense of the people’s right to be armed. But this administration (like, I admit, most others) has no trouble with taking actions directly contrary to its words.

The CNS story quotes one Bob Taubert, a former FBI agent and now a security consultant for the Committee for the Armed Defense Of The Cockpit, said, "You have people in government that have this visceral gunphobic attitude, and I also think some of the government agencies feel threatened."

He said arming pilots might infringe on the turf of the federal air marshal program. "The federal air marshal program might actually feel threatened with armed pilots on board because it would detract from their empire."

I think Taubert’s aiming too low. A bunch of hired guns probably don’t make policy and don’t have much of an empire separate from the empire Big Government already has over everything in general. The problem is at the top.

There is some fight left in Congress: "Sen. Bob Smith (R-N.H.), sponsor of legislation allowing properly trained pilots to carry guns, said he will be introducing a bill with a bipartisan coalition, including Sens. Zell Miller (D-Ga.), Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), and Frank Murkowski (R-Alaska) to create a voluntary program to arm pilots," the CNS story said

And Smith said, "This is the primary option to implement the program that was called for in the Aviation Security Bill. The pilots want this program, and the American people want additional means to be protected against future contemplated acts of terrorism. Armed pilots are the first line of deterrence and the last line of defense."

Anybody taking bets? I’ll bet that this opposition has no legs. There’ll be no guns for pilots under Emperor Bush. Not this week.

The Gun Owners of America said Bush ought to "take some officials to the political woodshed, or else people are going to start wondering where he stands on the important right of self-defense."

I don’t think they need to wonder very long or very hard. The Bush family subtends from the Rockefeller-Morgan interests; they won’t fall far from the Tree called "New World Order," and in that Order, there is no plan to have popular pressures divert the Leadership from its already settled policies. I suppose I hope I’m wrong on this one. Let’s wait and see.

May 22, 2002

Tom White [send him mail] writes from Odessa, Texas.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: antigunbush; governmentarrogance; guncontrol; liberals
Once again the libertarian view seems to be the common sense view. Bush is an anti-gun anti-freedom statist just like his father, King George I. His administration doesn't do anything that he doesn't want them to do - especially on an issue as closely watched as this one. I'm just waiting for the Bush apologists out there to come up with their lame excuses for this.
1 posted on 05/22/2002 4:04:56 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
This was one of the stupider reasons for not allowing pilots to have guns.

As terrorists burst into the cockpit...

Pilot: "Excuse me, don't you see I'm busy watching all of these little dials and gauges. Please come back later."

2 posted on 05/22/2002 4:22:14 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: from occupied ga
The Airlines Pilot's Association (ALPA) recently testified and refuted all of the terrible logic regarding not having pilot's armed.

One that was easy to hit out of the park is pilots are too busy flying the plane to be able to use firearms.

This is laughable.

In any commercial or corporate aircraft, one pilot flies, while the other talks on the radios and performs other tasks. During climbout, cruise, most of the descent, and approach, the autopilot is used to reduce crew workload. Even landings can be automatic aircraft so equipped.

Next, a pilot is taught to use a fire extinguisher. Who here thinks a pilot cannot divide up his time appropriately to use that piece of equipment if the situation warrants? Anyone?

I flew military aircraft for years and was armed a good percentage of the time. So was the rest of the crew. It was mandatory in many instances.

3 posted on 05/22/2002 4:33:19 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
It is obvious that the administration would rather have a plane load of dead subjects than a few armed citizens. After all, as Ridge said "Where would it end? Next you would have bus drivers wanting to be armed."

Notice that the important thing here is to keep people disarmed rather than keeping them safe.

4 posted on 05/22/2002 5:03:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: from occupied ga
"After a lot consultation and realizing my experience in law enforcement, I will not authorize firearms in the cockpit," Magaw told the Senate Commerce Committee. Note the easy assumption of imperial authority and the diktat tone...

Coming from a "former" ATF JB Thug, with known murderous tendancies, ain't this special? Blackbird.
5 posted on 05/22/2002 5:48:28 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: from occupied ga
A question I would like Magaw to answer. "Would a gun in the cockpit have stopped the hijackers taking over the planes on Sep 11th?" His answer would probably be "We don't know." My next comment would be. "Well we know what happened by not having one don't we."
6 posted on 05/22/2002 5:56:18 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: from occupied ga
"This is another instance of the wonderful appreciation shown by Their Imperial Majesties of the average intelligence of the average voter. You know, IQ maybe 64. Their spokesperson on this latest outrage was John Magaw, an undersecretary with the Department of Transportation." IS THIS NOT THE INFAMOUS MAGAW CHARACTER FROM CHICAGO FBI SCANDALS??????????????
7 posted on 05/22/2002 5:57:47 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: from occupied ga
This is just another example of Bush Jr's inability to do the right thing, allowing Tom Daschle and the rest of Congress to lead by default instead. Bush must change course or he will lose conservative support--if the election were today I would vote for the Constitution Party.
8 posted on 05/22/2002 6:00:14 AM PDT by GunsareOK
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To: GunsareOK
This is just another example of Bush Jr's inability

It isn't inability. He doesn't see the "right thing" the same way we do. To King George II banning guns in the cockpit and then killing everyone on board with a sidewinder from an F16 IS the "right thing." George II does not want to give any power to armed civilians because this goes against his ultimate goal of having ALL power reside in government.

I notice the usual repulsive crew of drooling bush lovers has not (a) bothered to read this thread or (b) bothered to attempt to defend their little tin god.

9 posted on 05/22/2002 6:25:17 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: SkyPilot
My father is a retired pilot for American Airlines. He flew for 30+ years and was Navy carrier pilot before that.

As he likes to point out, "I take off and land, the autopilot does the rest."

I’m sure a pilot could spare the 3 or 5 seconds it would take to put a bullet it some idiot that attempted to take control of the aircraft.

10 posted on 05/22/2002 8:08:21 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: from occupied ga
This topic won't go away! It's the Pilots that want it. If there's another disaster, they'll just quit flying.......FRegards
11 posted on 05/22/2002 8:53:47 AM PDT by gonzo
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To: gonzo
Too bad they can't do a week long, nationwide pilot strike to get everyone's attention - all pilots, including the ones that work for fedex, ups, and other companies.
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12 posted on 05/22/2002 8:59:52 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: flashbunny
A general strike by pilots to get the government's interest sounds like a very good idea. I have yet to hear a good reason against allowing the pilots to arm themselves. It's like a vast cloud of irrationality has descended on Washington regarding this issue. Okay, I hear you - maybe it's always been there!
13 posted on 05/22/2002 9:05:17 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: RichardsSweetRose; Eyes Now Opened
Ping
14 posted on 05/22/2002 9:25:27 AM PDT by Liberty Belle
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To: gonzo
I saw the other threads, but I thought that White's commentary that went with the bare fact of King George II's sell out to the anti-gun crowd made it worth posting. (Can you sell out to the anti-gun crowd if you are part of the anti-gun crowd?)
15 posted on 05/22/2002 10:13:24 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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