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Arlington VA County Board Threatens Eminent Domain for "Affordable Housing"! Smoking Gun!
The Washington Times ^ | 5/23/2002 | Mary Shaffrey

Posted on 05/23/2002 4:31:24 AM PDT by chambley1

Eminent domain powers invoked

Arlington County Manager Rod Carlee threatened the owners of a 465-unit apartment building with the use of eminent domain if the owners did not sell the property to a development organization specializing in low-income housing.

"The importance to the County of [the Gates of Arlington] cannot be underestimated and to that end I am prepared to consider the use of the County's power of eminent domain to acquire the property," Mr. Carlee, a Democrat, wrote in a May 14, 2002, letter to the Texas-based Hall Financial Group.

Eminent domain is the power of the government to take private property for public use with compensation for the owner.

Rick Bridges, assistant county manager for public affairs, said the letter was not a threat, but simply outlined for the owners all the county's options as it tried to obtain the property.

"It is a tool in the toolbox," Mr. Bridges said. "We have rarely used it in Arlington. This is certainly an area where it would be appropriate."

The Gates of Arlington, a two-story apartment building in the Buckingham section of the county, has been on the market for several months. Last week the Arlington County Board allocated $500,000 to the Arlington Housing Corporation Inc. (AHC) — a private, nonprofit developer of low- and moderate-income housing — to acquire the complex from Hall Financial Group for about $35 million.

The county is hoping to finalize the deal this week and have a closing date of late June or early July.

In his May 14 letter to the Hall Financial Group, Mr. Carlee said the county was joining forces with AHC in order to preserve a vibrant, multicultural community and critically needed affordable housing. While other groups have approached Hall Financial about the Arlington property, Mr. Carlee said that the AHC plan was "superior" and that was why the county was working with them.

"AHC provided a specific and clearly superior plan to ensure that [the county's objectives of continued low-to-moderate income housing] are successfully met," Mr. Carlee wrote.

Charles Rinker, a member of the Arlington County Housing Commission, defended the board's actions, saying affordable housing was the No.1 crisis facing the county.

"The United Way has listed affordable housing as the major crisis in Arlington County," Mr. Rinker said. "It seems wherever affordable housing gets torn down, nothing gets rebuilt affordable housing is an important public purpose where eminent domain could be used."

Board Chairman Chris Zimmerman said, "I personally have supported [eminent domain] when we needed it for schools or sidewalks. It is a tool that could be used, and I would not hesitate to do that [in this case], but that was not necessary."

Mark Blocher, director of corporate communications for the Hall Financial Group, said it is company policy not to discuss any transactions until the sale is complete.

Some Arlington residents question whether officials are stepping over the line.

"This is the most grotesque overuse of municipal power that I have ever heard of," said Mike Lane, a former County Board member. "What is it that the county is trying to accomplish that they have to steal a private landowner's property?"

John Antonelli, another member of the Arlington County Housing Commission, said these actions were an ominous precedent.

"I think its very scary that when the county says it wants something, it can just come in and take it," he said. "Moreover, it's a more expensive and insufficient use of county funds."


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To: BubbaJunebug
Could you could give us a link to your story about HUD?

As far as I know know, when it comes to residential property HUD is generally involved in reselling houses that had FHA mortgages that had to be foreclosed on. They sell to the general public, and in some special circumstances have a special program for police and teachers.

Now I'm not going to try and tell you that HUD hasn't (and doesn't) had it's share of corruption, but I just don't think they buy houses and resell them.

However, it's a big world, so I'm open to the possibility that I don't know about one of their programs. Link please?

http://www.hud.gov/
21 posted on 05/23/2002 6:16:38 AM PDT by Freeper 007
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To: countrydummy
They can approximate the fair market price by looking at what similar properties in the area have sold for, with or without the confiscation threat. I seem to recall that in some cases, like shopping malls, they've actually recognized much of the price inflation that was due to the project itself.

I've done a huge amount of renovation to my house since buying it a year and a half ago. I can imagine how angry I'd be if the County demanded it and failed to recognize the improvements. I'd be bitter for the rest of my life. But if they paid me a fair market price, I'd get over it.

The authors of the Constitution were masters of the English language. If they were certain of the need to limit land grabs to the circumstances that were most obvious to them at the time, I think they'd have written it without such open language.

22 posted on 05/23/2002 6:20:31 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: AppyPappy
Help me out. Why does the government need affordable housing in Arlington?

Especially since only 2 years ago the Arlington County gov't permitted the razing of the entire Arna Valley housing complex so that nice condos could be built at the Glebe Rd. / I 395 interchange. I don't understand why they didn't eminent domain Arna Valley - which, I understand had 3000 people living in it --and just keep the housing in place.

23 posted on 05/23/2002 6:34:24 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: chambley1
*yawn* this type of thing has been happening like wildfire in upstate ny for the past 10 years and everyone just rolls over and hits the snooze button. nobody cares until all the productive members of society vote with their feet and the tax base drops to nil. like i said before, when you hear the buzz words such as "affordable housing, decentralizing poverty, concentration of poverty, metro gov't., sprawl," etc., run, don't walk to your local real estate office so that you can cut bait and scoot. in NYS there is NO fighting this. believe me, we all tried (in rottenchester) many, many times and most of us ended up just getting the h*!! out (even if it meant killing our once flawless credit rating).

now, in our fair city of rottenchester, you can count the NON-boarded up houses on one hand (through at least 5-6 blocks on a street).

24 posted on 05/23/2002 6:35:24 AM PDT by bandlength
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
yepper.
25 posted on 05/23/2002 6:36:46 AM PDT by bandlength
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To: elfman2
" for the erection of forts(military), magazines(military), arsenals(military), dockyards(military),
and other needful buildings (Do I see a TREND here???);--And ..." [ Article I, sec. 8 ]."

26 posted on 05/23/2002 6:42:37 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: dane
What? This has only been up for two hours and not one statist cheerleader calling for the immediate burning and razing of the complex so that the government can have its way.

Maybe the statists are getting some common sense...nah, more likely still asleep.

(This is a response in kind to a prior dane posting)

27 posted on 05/23/2002 6:52:19 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Freeper 007
yes they do. they do it through organizations such as housing authorities, housing counsels, neighborhood action groups, etc. i know this for a fact. i once worked for a housing authority and was very involved with the private landlords rights groups in my own personal life (a huge conflict, i realize). the city often bragged/laughed about how they:

1. take a private owner's property away for perceived "code violations" (the first step in being jacked via 'eminent domain')

2. put it in the name of a "neighborhood empowerment group"

3. receive gov't funding from HUD to fix up the house, i.e. slap some vinyl siding on it

4. resell it to some unsuspecting sucker who will pay 300 to 500% of what the property is really worth (we're talking asking price here folks, not payments with interest calculated in)

p.s., here in upstate NY, code violations can be anything from a loose siding board to a barking dog to an open air drug deal that happened to go down on the curb next to your property.

28 posted on 05/23/2002 6:52:44 AM PDT by bandlength
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To: Freeper 007
"As far as I know know, when it comes to residential property HUD is generally involved in reselling houses that had FHA mortgages that had to be foreclosed on. They sell to the general public, and in some special circumstances have a special program for police and teachers"

In recent years, they have been witholding homes from purchase by the general public and only selling to "affordable housing organizations" or actually keeping ownership of them and renting them to low income people. I was denied the opportunity to bid on or buy from the twice and that was the explaination given.

29 posted on 05/23/2002 6:55:52 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed
exactly. they are trying to drive out free market forces, i.e. mom and pop property owners.
30 posted on 05/23/2002 6:57:32 AM PDT by bandlength
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To: Eagle Eye
What? This has only been up for two hours and not one statist cheerleader calling for the immediate burning and razing of the complex so that the government can have its way.

Maybe the statists are getting some common sense...nah, more likely still asleep.

(This is a response in kind to a prior dane posting)

Yep, probably in response to this thread.

Man jailed for threats against pupils, officials

32 posted on 05/23/2002 7:08:06 AM PDT by Dane
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To: AppyPappy
Government Workers are SOOOOOOOO honorable that the government will not allow them to be ripped off by greedy landlords </SARCASM>
33 posted on 05/23/2002 7:10:03 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: helper
Chester County Pennsylvania and the City of Coastesville moved to take 7 properties by eminent domain. Seven properties in the next township I may add. One owner of 40+ acres refused to sell out. The land taking is for a " golf course" and it has turned the area on end. A city in trouble hires and ousider town manager to fix a bad situation. He initiates the move for the golf course and recreation site that will save this crime and drug city. This golf course is to save the city and provide jobs. (seasonal ground keeper and mowers) We watch as the land owner spend a fortune on lawyers to keep his ground. We cannot believe this is happening to a land owner. GolfCourseLandTheft
34 posted on 05/23/2002 7:16:38 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Choco Taco
"...a vibrant, multicultural community ..." This seem to be a contradiction in terms. Maybe he mean a violent, multicultural community.

....I guess the latest example of this vibrancy would be Isreal.....

35 posted on 05/23/2002 7:22:53 AM PDT by The Iceman Cometh
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To: FateAmenableToChange
I don't understand why they didn't eminent domain Arna Valley - which, I understand had 3000 people living in it

Around here we have those fights about affordable housing.
"Affordable" actually means "subsidized" - the builders get above market for their product and we pay the difference up front, then subsidize the residents' mortgage over time.

I live in an affordable house - one that I could afford to buy and pay the mortgage and taxes with my own money. It is small and I would say cheaply built. The subsidized houses in this area are larger and nicer than my affordable house.

Dave in Eugene

36 posted on 05/23/2002 7:34:16 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly
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To: Elsie
" " for the erection of forts(military), magazines(military), arsenals(military), dockyards(military), and other needful buildings (Do I see a TREND here???);--And ..." [ Article I, sec. 8 ].""

Yes, just like I said. They listed the obvious, giving our representatives and indication of what they had in mind, but left it wide open for them (and us) to decide what was "needful". Of course that kind of power will be abused, but it's not unconstitutional.

37 posted on 05/23/2002 7:53:00 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: FateAmenableToChange
The 'rats running Arlington only care about all white North Arlington. In a lotta ways they are straight-line descendants of the old klan 'rats of days of yore. When they approved the Arna Valley project, they agreed to allow the developer to cram in a lot more units if the developer agreed to reserve a certain number as "low-income" housing. Then they bought another apartment building and set it aside as low income housing. Never mind that the local schools are horrendously overcrowded with students packed into trailers on the playgrounds and traffic is already so congested it barely crawls along. Two of the board members got a letter published in the WP arguing it was absolutely necessary or "where would our servants and the restaurant help be able to live." The board has a cute answer to South Arlington's traffic congestion, too: light rail. Yep, just run a light rail line down along Route 1 between it and the existing metrorail line. That will take care of all the problems they created by rezoning pentagon city and potomac yards. Just remember, racially mixed south arlington only exists as a real estate tax cow to keep real estate tax rates low for the 'rat klan dems in north arlington.
38 posted on 05/23/2002 8:05:31 AM PDT by QuestionBureaucracy
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To: QuestionBureaucracy
Just remember, racially mixed south arlington only exists as a real estate tax cow to keep real estate tax rates low for the 'rat klan dems in north arlington.

YOUR tax rates might be low, but not mine in North Arlington. Indeed, I challenge you to pay my bill.

39 posted on 05/23/2002 8:20:56 AM PDT by VillageDamien
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To: AppyPappy
Help me out. Why does the government need affordable housing in Arlington?

Could it be that is only ploy being used by the liberals to gain even more Democrat voters in the next election?

40 posted on 05/23/2002 8:23:31 AM PDT by swampfox98
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