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You assume that it was the North which broke the constitution when it was the South trying to weasel out from underneath it (BTW, tell me just how the south could claim much of what was the Louisiana territory and at the same time disclaim any debts incurred by the Union for it).

You also assume because I assert the south was wrong in this issue that I am a northerner.

You Assume too much.

I may be as arrogant as you please (although I take issue with your assertion about "complacency"), but stupidity doesn't run on my side of the argument.

You assume that it was the North which broke the constitution when it was the South trying to weasel out from underneath it

The South didn't weasel -- the States' acts were public and sovereign, taken in broad daylight. What's weaseling about that?

I don't assume the North broke the Constitution, although Lincoln may have a few times -- in pursuit of a higher good no doubt. What I've written several times is that the North rewrote the Constitution and inserted what we may happily call the unwritten Blood Clause, which I will summarize for you:

Amendment XIIIb
1. The States shall no longer be Sovereign, nor their Peoples have rights except those stipulated in the Constitution. They may not agree to any Thing unless the Congress or the President set it before them. The Congress may legislate at will on any subject whatsoever, and the Executive make Orders on discretion, and all shall have the force of law.

2. The subjugated people of the South shall be subordinate and their rights subject to modification or abrogation by public law, executive order, or the decree of any Federal Court.

stupidity doesn't run on my side of the argument.

Are you sure? You just made that post above about "weaseling".

By the way, Frume........you still haven't answered my question about my "Suitors of Penelope" theory of ratification.

You didn't answer the question, but it isn't going away.

Do you think ratification made the States the prey of the Supreme Court and whatever SCOTUS decided to rule, and whatever Congress decided to legislate? That the federal government can do to any State any thing it pleases, and to all the people that live in it?