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1 posted on 05/24/2002 5:45:18 PM PDT by marshmallow
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2 posted on 05/24/2002 5:47:02 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: marshmallow
The problem can be distilled down to this: many psychologists who work under contract for dioceses and religious orders hold beliefs that differ, sometimes markedly, from the beliefs of mature, orthodox Catholics (even if sometimes these screeners are nominal Catholics themselves). Therefore they often fail to be objective in their evaluation of seminary applicants, using their own idiosyncratic belief system as the standard by which to judge an applicant’s suitability for the priesthood.

In other words they are Liberals.

3 posted on 05/24/2002 6:10:11 PM PDT by Pontiac
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According to Detroit priest Father Eduard Perrone, the “porno flicks” were shown at the seminary as part of a class on morality. “They showed a man masturbating, a woman masturbating, couples copulating, homosexuals humping,” he recalled.

Imagine watching porno flicks in a seminary, instead of reading the bible or praying. This is really hard to believe.

4 posted on 05/24/2002 6:16:54 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: marshmallow
These characters have been worming their way into positions of trust and authority for decades.

The entire 'liberal' 'MO' seems to utilize a language of double-speak where words mean something close to the opposite of what is customary.

The gole is fairly clear: undermine all institutions that they do not or cannot control!

After the old, 'bad' organizations and 'restrictive' traditions have been swept away,
these 'wise & caring' people, will, for our own good,
"...set up their moral climates, and dole out goodness to everyone..."

5 posted on 05/24/2002 6:21:15 PM PDT by NoClones
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*Flag* for an article by Michael Rose author of Good-bye, Good Men.
6 posted on 05/24/2002 6:55:07 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: marshmallow
Several Detroit-area priests recalled the widespread homosexual promiscuity during the 1980s at St. John’s Provincial Seminary in Plymouth, Michigan. They described their seminary as a “veritable hothouse” for the gay subculture. Said one of the priests: “Everyone there knew what was going on. There were visits at night as gay seminarians cruised from room to room.” Little effort was made to hide either the sexual orientation or the homosexual activity of the seminarians at St. John’s, and, he added, “it was not uncommon to see seminarians acting out in a fairly public setting.”

The promiscuous homosexual bathhouse scene was getting a little tired. Good to see things perked up in the seminaries of the Church of Sodom.

9 posted on 05/24/2002 7:05:01 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: marshmallow
When making a moral decision . . . ultimately it is the individual’s conscience which must be his or her guide. A Catholic may in good conscience make a decision not in total agreement with Church teaching and still remain within the Church if they do not deny any point of divine and Catholic faith and do not reject the teaching authority of the Church. An example of this is the millions of American Catholics who have decided on a moral stance different from the teaching of the Church and use artificial means of birth control, yet remain Catholics in good standing.

This in a nutshell explains why the last two generations of Catholics have NO CLUE about the actual teachings of the Church. They have been fed this bilge by the liberals schooled at the Theology programs of Notre Dame, Boston College, St. Bonaventure etc. who have been running parish Religious Ed. programs. Thankfully there are many orthodox priests who are now coming of an age where THEY are in charge of Diocesan Relig. Ed. and are getting rid of the feminazi nuns and AmChurch type libs who have been running these programs for years. They are hiring folks from places like The Franciscan Univ. of Steubenville who are being taught the truth of Catholic teachings and are on fire to bring it to parishes around the country.

So even though many are in pain right now, I see some good ultimately coming from this.

12 posted on 05/24/2002 7:23:56 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: marshmallow
Well of course the sin of Sodom was "inhospitality." It's very inhospitable to bugger your guests.
13 posted on 05/24/2002 7:26:09 PM PDT by bloggerjohn
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To: marshmallow
The way things are going in the Church if we wait a few more weeks there won't be to many Bishops left.

What is amazing is that Law is still in the job as Archbishop of the Boston Diocese.

The only answer is to purge and purify the Church of all the Homosexuals and any other perps.as well.

15 posted on 05/24/2002 7:59:44 PM PDT by chatham
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To: marshmallow
Two years ago the rector of the Cleveland seminary confirmed that there are also many seminary faculties which include a disproportionate number of homosexuals.

The RC diocese in Albany NY produces a Sunday program entitled Table of the Lord. The mass is usually broadcast from the day chapel of a local parish with parish school children in attendance.

For four weeks running, I have watched this broadcast on Sunday morning. Each of the priests invited to say the mass was a homosexual. There is a disproportionate number of gay priests in the Albany diocese. A heterosexual neighbor abandoned his call to the priesthood, after several months in an Albany diocesan seminary. It is quite alarming to live in a diocese where one has to search long and hard to find a priest who is NOT homosexual!

67 posted on 05/27/2002 4:13:03 AM PDT by NYer
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To: marshmallow
Michael Rose is right in so many ways, but especially in his identification of the "human potential" movement as the root of this present darkness. This is the face of "self-actualization."

I also found the following excerpt enlightening:

At St. John’s Seminary in Boston that same year, one seminarian was sexually harassed by another seminarian so persistently that he was forced to file a restraining order against his classmate. He did so only after he determined that the administration at the seminary would do nothing to protect him. But even worse, the victim was scolded by seminary administrators for embarrassing the seminary, while nothing was done about the gay seminarian whose harassment had created the problem. In fact, the victim left the seminary, while the gay seminarian advanced toward ordination.

A couple of years ago a friend of mine in his mid 30s told me that he was considering the priesthood, and that that fall he and two other guys from our K of C chapter would also be entering the seminary. Two were going to St. John's, the local seminary. My friend told me that he was going to Nebraska (FSSP).

I couldn't understand why someone with friends in the area would want to travel to Nebraska to go to the seminary. He told me that there was a "homosexual problem" at St. John's. That's when I figured his imagination was running wild, and I steered the conversation in another direction.

It helps me understand why these abused seminarians had been so reluctant to tell their stories up until now. Hopefully it will be easier now.

I just go Michael Rose's book. It's a must read. He provides plenty of documentation and anecdotes regarding homosexual and heterodox seminaries.

68 posted on 05/28/2002 5:17:27 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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