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Targeting a Myth [Gun Control]
The Boston Globe ^ | 5/26/2002 | Joyce Lee Malcolm

Posted on 05/26/2002 2:45:14 PM PDT by My Identity

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:07:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

But there are two problems with that model. When guns were freely available, England had an astonishingly low level of violent crime. A government study for the years 1890-1892, for example, found only three handgun homicides, an average of one a year, in a population of 30 million. In 1904 there were only four armed robberies in London, then the largest city in the world. One century and many gun laws later, the British Broadcasting Corp. reports that England's firearms restrictions and 1997 ban on handguns ''have had little impact in the criminal underworld.'' Guns are virtually outlawed, and, as the old slogan predicted, only outlaws have guns. And what is worse, they are increasingly ready to use them.


(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; uk; us

1 posted on 05/26/2002 2:45:14 PM PDT by My Identity
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To: My Identity
Thanks for the link. I was just in the middle of an arguement with a bunch of snooty UK anti-gunners on rec.motorcycles. I had the pleasure of posting a paragraph and a link.
2 posted on 05/26/2002 3:01:51 PM PDT by Poser
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To: My Identity
--intresting that something we gun nuts have known about all along (forty years , in my case) is now appearing in something as liberal as the Boston Globe--
3 posted on 05/26/2002 3:12:49 PM PDT by rellimpank
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To: My Identity
It's really a no-brainer. The gun does not commit the crime. Look to who is mis-using guns and there you may find the solution you seek.
4 posted on 05/26/2002 3:13:11 PM PDT by NetValue
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To: My Identity
This article is absolutly shocking coming from the Boston Globe. Maybe there is hope.
5 posted on 05/26/2002 3:14:43 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: My Identity
Americans who believe that more guns mean more crime awakened earlier this month to find, to their dismay, that the Justice Department and the federal courts had affirmed their constitutional right to be armed. Presumably, they would have preferred restrictions based on the English model, where the toughest firearms regulations of any democracy have been credited by gun control advocates with producing a low rate of violent crime.

Oh really? And who would presume to presume such a thing? Nice to see the Boston Globe still does their editorializing on the front page. At least they're consistent.

6 posted on 05/26/2002 3:24:55 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: David Hunter
Here you go David, why your English system is a total failure. Go ahead and criticize the US all you want, but in the US the people live with a lot less to fear. Thank God, Russia is following right on the US model and not the EuroSocialist failure model. We've had all the socialism a society can handle.
7 posted on 05/26/2002 3:25:08 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: My Identity
From my cold dead hands.
8 posted on 05/26/2002 3:26:24 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: My Identity
Holy Mackerel, this was printed in the Boston Globe? The world must be coming to an end.
9 posted on 05/26/2002 3:37:20 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: rellimpank; LoneRangerMassachusetts; Cicero; Euro-American Scum
The author, Joyce Lee Malcolm, is not on BG's staff.
She is a professor at Bentley College (a miracle in itself?).
The article was printed in BG's quasi-opinion Focus section
which holds lots of other freelance articles.
10 posted on 05/26/2002 3:50:59 PM PDT by My Identity
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To: My Identity
"Gun crime is just part of an increasingly lawless environment. Your chances of being mugged in London are now six times greater than in New York. England's rates of robbery and burglary are far higher than America's, and 53 percent of burglaries in England occur while occupants are at home, compared with 13 percent in the United States, where burglars admit to fearing armed homeowners more than the police."

These two stats, especially the second one, are among the best-kept secrets on earth, and should be required reading for ANYONE who thinks banning guns is the answer.

Unfortunately, the comparison is to NYC, which Giuliani cleaned up and Bloomberg, from early indications, is beginning to lose a grip on. I would still guess that Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, and DC, to name a few, are more dangerous than London for most crimes-for now.

The self-defense crimes cited in the article are examples of the kinds of things the International Criminal Court that the Bush Administration repudiated would have tried to shove down the throats of any Americans overseas, including soldiers.

11 posted on 05/26/2002 3:53:31 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: My Identity
Why is it that something we have known all along falls under the category of NEWS? I don't think this is news at all, only a public comfirmation that Gun Control is a miserable failure every time it is tried.
12 posted on 05/26/2002 3:59:22 PM PDT by Abbysomeone
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To: ex con
Good lord....simply incredible. How they can be so stupid is mindboggling.
14 posted on 05/26/2002 4:22:27 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: My Identity
Oh, dear ! That poor author is going to be FLAMED : banned in Boston, pilloried in Providence, mauled in Middlesex...( you get the idea ! )

The Elitists and Statists will shout : " How dare she embarrass us with the truth ????

15 posted on 05/26/2002 4:28:15 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: Poser
gun control has not made England a safer, fairer society

For the life of me, I cannot understand how
gun control or the lack thereof contributes
to a 'fairer society.'  At a stretch, if every
one were packing heat, life might be fairer,
but that goes against what they expected.

16 posted on 05/26/2002 4:55:13 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: My Identity;joebrower
BTTT & 2nd amendment ping.
17 posted on 05/26/2002 4:58:42 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter, bang_list
Thanks for the ping. This was posted earlier under an incorrect title HERE. No flame intended.

Shameless freedom-lovin' plug: CLICK HERE for a large assortment of powerful, pro-RKBA docs in PDF format.


18 posted on 05/26/2002 5:10:44 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: My Identity
American Liberals will never, never, EVER change their anti-gun hysteria -- until they become victims of violent crime. Remember, the fundamental purpose of Liberalism is to be able to make yourself feel good about yourself. Results are besides the point and to be ignored -- until they happen to you.
19 posted on 05/26/2002 5:22:40 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: My Identity;all
Statistical Facts Gun-haters Run From


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20 posted on 05/26/2002 5:24:16 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: ex con
America by 2020 if things don't change.

I don't think so, but I'm the eternal optimist!



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21 posted on 05/26/2002 5:32:54 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: gcruse
I cannot understand how gun control or the lack thereof contributes to a 'fairer society.'

It may not make for a 'fairer society', but it does make for a 'more equal society'. My wife stands 4'11" and weighs about 95 lbs. soaking wet. Even with a baseball bat she would probably be no match for a criminal who has spent the last couple years lifting weights, but with a Glock I'm pretty sure she'll be able to defend herself if I'm not there and if the criminal also happens to be armed with a gun at least I'll know that she had a fighting chance.

22 posted on 05/26/2002 5:37:18 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: pabianice
American Liberals will never, never, EVER change their anti-gun hysteria -- until they become victims of violent crime.

Liberals come in all different colors and flavors. I've known a lot of 'back to the land' type hippies who happen to be gun nuts. They're into solar power, composting toilets and organic food, but some of them also have quite an arsenal.

Those folks share one important trait with conservatives though. For the most part they just want to be left alone. Your average urban socialist is deathly afraid of guns in private hands.

23 posted on 05/26/2002 5:44:08 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: Stavka2
Here you go David, why your English system is a total failure... We've had all the socialism a society can handle.

The English system isn't based on liberal policies, its based on state authoritarianism. The article points out that carrying any kind of weapon for self defence is illegal. The current gun controls were brought in by the Major (Conservative) government, thus they have nothing to do with Socialism.

If gun laws were liberalised, I doubt that it would have a positive effect on the crime statistics since there is no tradition of gun ownership for self defence in Britain. In fact, it would probably make it even easier for criminals to get firearms. Also this article fails to compare the murder rate in America with that in Britain, could it be that this fact would damage the article's argument?

Obviously, the law on self defence needs changing so that the victim or someone who helps the victim are not in danger of prosecution. Unfortunately, the British people are not citizens, they have no rights to enforce laws, they are subjects of the state which believes that only it has the right to enforce the law.

24 posted on 05/26/2002 8:48:10 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: pabianice
IMHO, the liberals are concerned about losing constituents -- literally. Many members of their favorite "victim" groups run a very real risk if the rest of us are allowed to defend ourselves when they break into our homes and cars or assault us on the street.

One criminal, one vote.

25 posted on 05/27/2002 9:14:13 AM PDT by macclim8ed
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