Skip to comments.Let Us Pray: A Call for More Orthodoxy, and Latin Mass, for the Troubled Church
Posted on 05/26/2002 7:05:39 PM PDT by ELS
| Jersey City
There was a time in the Roman Catholic Church, a generation ago, when codified rituals and whispered prayers embraced the mysterious power of God. In more recent days, the whispers have been of a more profane nature as Catholics from the occasional congregant to the Pope have wrestled with the painful issue of priests who sexually abuse children.
The ensuing scandal - which is roiling the American Catholic Church as nothing else in its history - has prompted many to call for liberal reform in the church. Yet odd as it may seem on the surface, there is another group of people within the church who are intent on reform of a very different nature, and they recently gathered in Jersey City to participate in a Mass that once united Catholics across the globe.
Traditionalists, as they call themselves, are seeking not less but more orthodoxy in issues of morality and adherence to church doctrine, and are passionate about a liturgy that all but disappeared after the Second Vatican Council.
"The old Latin Mass" said Judith Markenstein, whose husband is a deacon at Holy Rosary Parish here, "gives you a mystical sense of the greatness of God and the smallness of us."
The Tridentine Mass fell by the wayside in the 1960's when the Vatican updated the liturgy - abandoning Latin in favor of the vernacular, encouraging more lay involvement on the altar and turning the priest around to face the congregation.
In 1984 Pope John Paul II allowed the Tridentine Mass to be celebrated, but only under strict conditions. Then in 1988 he issued Ecclesia Dei, which allowed the old rite as long as local bishops gave their permission. Since then, Tridentine Masses have been increasing steadily, if not flourishing. According to the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei, an Illinois-based organization that provides help to parishes interested in starting up a Tridentine Mass, 150 traditional Masses are celebrated each Sunday in the United States and dozens more once or twice a month, up from 60 a week and 40 a month in 1991.
As recently as a week ago, a spokeswoman for the coalition said, 117 of the 201 Catholic dioceses in the United States offered a traditional Latin Mass. One week ago, the Newark Archdiocese became No. 118.
The first Tridentine Mass at Holy Rosary Parish in more than 30 years attracted about 100 people from all over North Jersey. What drew them, many said, was the old rite's sense of transcendence and mystery, contemplative silence mixed with the unison voices of Gregorian chant, the pungent smell of incense and the sprinkling of holy water.
For Ron Colombo, a Hoboken resident, May 19 was a long time coming. Since moving from New York City in 1999, he and his wife, Kim, had traveled 40 minutes each way on Sundays to attend a Tridentine Mass, either back to Manhattan or to Pequannock. When Mr. Colombo heard last summer that the Rev. Kenneth Baker was mulling over the possibility of bringing Latin back to Holy Rosary, he helped the church's pastor, Msgr. Joseph Chiang, to circulate a petition, which eventually made its way to the desk of Archbishop John J. Myers of Newark, whose jurisdiction includes Jersey City.
Nine months later, with the archbishop's permission in hand, new vestments hanging in the sacristy and Latin-English missals, purchased in part with money donated by the Colombos, his legwork came to fruition.
The 30-year-old Mr. Colombo grew up in Queens, a "typical American Catholic," he said. He attended catechism classes, where he learned to "color, share and be nice to people," but little about Catholic dogma, and dutifully attended the post-Vatican II Mass. In 1997, as a law student at New York University, he stumbled by chance upon a Tridentine Mass.
"I could not believe this was my religion," he said. "For all practical purposes, it wasn't."
Crediting the old rite with making him a "true Catholic," he possesses something like the zeal of a convert, pressing to recapture "traditional Catholic culture."
Being a traditionalist, he said, "is not just Mass. It's a mind-set. It's orthodoxy plus culture, an entire milieu of Catholic living."
That milieu includes shunning meat on Fridays even though the church prescribes abstinence only during Lent, praying the rosary and saying grace before every meal.
Robert Phillips, a professor of philosophy at the University of Connecticut at Hartford, said that traditionalists feel that as Catholic liturgy has gone downhill, so have the moral standards of American Catholics, both laity and clergy. "True devotees of the Old Mass are super-orthodox," said Professor Phillips, who places himself in the traditionalist camp, but does not advocate a full-fledged restoration of the Tridentine Rite. Traditionalists "go against many aspects of American Catholicism," he said.
As Kevin Flynn, the 40-year-old master of ceremonies at Holy Rosary's first Mass, put it, "I hope an attachment to the Old Mass also means an attachment to a traditional interpretation of Catholicism. Mass should be the center of your life."
Mr. Flynn, like Mr. Colombo, is uncomfortable with the dilution of the solemnity of the Mass over the past 30 years or so, and feels that it has been overshadowed by debates on church positions like abortion and contraception, which he does not believe are open for discussion.
In the newer Mass, Mr. Flynn and others said, the crucial sense of the sacred, the idea that something central to the faith takes place on the altar, has given way to a more casual approach. The priest facing the congregation "encourages improvisation," said Professor Phillips, relating an anecdote about a priest who interrupted a Mass to inform the congregation that it was his birthday. The New Mass, he said, encourages such ad-libbing because it is celebrated in English, and also because the priest is "looking at the people, and wants to tell them something."
But others find fault with blaming the English-language Mass for moral and liturgical laxity. While the Rev. Neil J. Roy, a theology professor at the Catholic University of America in Washington, acknowledged that improvisation happened more frequently today, he would like to see more reverence in the newer rite, rather than a return to the old one.
Since for most Catholics, Sunday Mass is the first, and often the most constant, component of their faith, traditionalists see the old rite as a first step on the road to a deeper understanding of Catholicism and stricter adherence to its tenets.
"If you can get people into church, and say this is what liturgy is supposed to be, this is about worshipping God, and then we can get them into moral law, abortion, homosexuality, contraception," said Mr. Phillips.
Mr. Colombo agreed. Asking rhetorically how many Catholics use birth control, he said, " I'd like to see those same numbers at a traditional Latin Mass. If we return to the traditional Latin Mass, you are going to have a change in people."
Ron has done the yeoman's work in getting this off the ground. I have helped where I can and am currently participating in the schola. We have a fabulous schola director who is a priest pursuing a graduate degree in liturgical music. The organ was recently restored and sounds beautiful.
The article is rather charitable, considering its in the New York Times. They couldn't resist getting in a dig or two, but there are also some paragraphs that seem quite out of place for the New York Times.
Goetz, this is a possible alternative, accessible via public transportation (PATH), should crossing the Hudson River lose its appeal or convenience.
I'm with you 100% that the Traditional Mass needs to be restored.
Plus, the present scandal demonstrates just how out of touch the bishops are regarding the wishes of the laity. We request the Latin Mass and are ignored; we request the bishops remove pedophile priests and are ignored.
But the Traditional Mass is not in and of itself a solution to the current crisis, as the scandal surrounding the Society of St. John makes clear.
The solution is to return to orthodoxy. Many bishops let the heretics run wild sowing confusion and choose to discipline the orthodox, traditional Catholics (usually for pointing, directly or indirectly, out how unorthodox the bishops are). It's about time they start disciplining the heretics, instead.
Strangely, none of this was mandated by Vatican II, which advocated continuance of the use of Latin and also advocated use of Gregorian Chant. Rather, the liberals kidnapped the council and misrepresented it for their own purposes.
I still remember the first words of the old Mass as an altar server. I quote from memory, so they may not be exact:
Introibo ad altare Dei. Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.
It is, of course, biblical, from the Psalms. Many Protestants would be surprised how biblical the Mass is.
There's nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo, period.
Peripherals have crept in, some good, some bad. I see nothing wrong with cultural traditions, such as the Mexican Quincianera, being acclimated to the Liturgy.
Latin is simply not going to return to the mainstream liturgical celebrations of the Catholic Church, in America, or France, or Mexico, or anywhere else.
I'm all for granting those who wish to celebrate the Tridentine Mass the opportunity to do so. But the Novus Ordo is determinative. Celebrate it in Latin on occasion, but Catholics in America are not demanding a return to a Latin liturgy.
Or: The American Catholic Church goes against many aspects of true Christianity.
It's more of a problem of teaching actual Catholicism, and requiring that such be taught. True Catholic beliefs can exist well with either modern or traditional masses. But it seems absurd not to offer traditional masses when so many want them and experience God more deeply because of them.
Holy Rosary Church also has a Web site.
There is a power and majesty and grace in the Latin mass phrases. There is a beauty there that seems watered down in English. But understanding what's going on is also important!
"Being a traditionalist," he said," is not just Mass. It's a mindset. It's orthodoxy plus culture, an entire milieu of Catholic living."
That has been my experience with the Latin mass and the burgeoning community that mass has created. I have never met nor been inspired by so many knowlegable and faithful Catholics as those who attend the Latin mass. I am in full agreement that the orthodoxy that the Latin mass can't help but inspire is precisely what the Church needs today.
Or: The American Catholic Church goes against many aspects of true Christianity.
Yes, after Mass today many of us met downstairs. Fr. Baker read aloud the article posted above and we all wondered about the sentence you highlighted. I asked a friend near me if "American Catholicism" has anything to do with Roman Catholicism.
7 years ago my family was not demanding the Latin Mass and then we discovered a Church which Celebrates the Latin Novus Ordo AND we kneel at the alter rail to recieve the Eucharist by intinction (no hands allowed). WOW! is all this post Vatican II Catholic can say. What ever posessed the Church to abandon Latin, alter rails and reverence for the Eucharist? People don't demand it because they have no clue what they are missing.
This scandal probably wouldn't bother the American Catholic Church too much. Goofy journalists need to know that there is a difference between the Roman Catholic Church in America and a group of heretics. Isn't "liberal reform" an oxymoron.
You equate Latin liturgies with "reverence for the Eucharist." Most of us who love the Novus Ordo also have a love for the Eucharist.
As I said, those who love Latin should be granted the celebration of the Novus Ordo or the Tridentine Liturgy in Latin.
In my parish, you'd be lucky to draw 20 people.
To tell you the truth, I'm perhaps a little intimidated...How easy was it for you to catch on to the different ways things are done in the old Mass?
Let me get this straight.
An English Mass fosters sins; the Latin Mass doesn't?
That's shoe-size IQ thinking.
"Informality" is a nonsenical notion, especially when one equates it with the Novus Ordo. Who are you to decide the reverence of Catholics?
Latin doesn't equal holy, pal.
Initially, I stayed in the back of the church so I could follow the more experienced and knowledgable parishioners. I bought a traditional daily missal and was able to follow along. Eventually, I even figured out how to find the prayers that change for each Mass. ;-)
Before any of that, though, I found the Latin Mass to be a more spiritual and reverent experience. My understanding of the Mass is constantly increasing.
I am impressed. Strong words of truth. It is what we believe - what you do, say, and how you act externally is a lead to your (internal) piety, as well as expressive of it.
We need to go back to a time when we were taught that there were consequences for our indiscretions and sins, that fear of the Lord was a gift of the Holy Spirit.
It is what we believe - what you do, say, and how you act externally is a lead to your (internal) piety, as well as expressive of it.
The Latin phrase lex orandi, lex credendi says basically the same thing - the rule of prayer dictates the rule of belief or what you exhibit externally reflects what you believe internally. The inimitable Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave."
Well, he is going to have to answer for that. You are always welcome to join us.
Reverence and mystery are important in worship.
If your crisis brings about change as you posters are discussing here, it could be all worth it in the end.
This is a great thread.
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