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I try not to be alarmist but I'm getting more and more worried about this sort of thing.
1 posted on 05/29/2002 9:10:58 AM PDT by jalisco555
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Stay armed, stay safe.
2 posted on 05/29/2002 9:15:54 AM PDT by aristotleman
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You're not being alarmist.

Both you and the columnist are being prescient. The Left has been the home for vile anti-Semitism for some time now. One cannot escape the links between the "anti-Globalist" International and the Jihadist Front. The question of Palestine is merely a modern substitute for Jews poisoning wells.

A new fascism is abroad in the world, and it is being peddled by the Left. The foundation of this fascism is anti-Semitism. However, the outriders of this fascist tendency can be found in various libertarian Jew baiters and outright Communists such as the crowd over at AntiWar.com, LewRockwell.com, Noam Chomsky, Robert Fisk and John Pilger, and of course, our friends from the late, lamented Spotlight.

Be aware. Be vary aware.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

3 posted on 05/29/2002 9:20:15 AM PDT by section9
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Bookmarked.
4 posted on 05/29/2002 9:23:24 AM PDT by tictoc
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Judt speaks of mantras of our time, designed to close off debate, e.g. Communist, capitalist, bourgeois. Add to those the mantra "racist.' Nothing closes off debate quicker than to accuse your opponent of racism. It has become the all-purpose epithet.
5 posted on 05/29/2002 9:25:26 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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I had never heard of the Forward, so I went back to their home page. I think that the history of this publication might interest other posters. Click Here

Thanks for post this article. Now, I will go back and finish reading it.

6 posted on 05/29/2002 9:34:25 AM PDT by Eva
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As the Moslem world increases it's foothold in the western nations, the anti-Israeli tone will increase and the numbers of those who hear it and accept it, will also.

It is accepted that we live in a nation of declining education. The teaching of adequate history is history. The teaching of fundamental skills necessary to reason away the flawed logic of the hoards is woefully lacking.

I don't fear the increase of the phenomena that you have observed. I recognize it for what it is and speak out against it, but there's only so much we can do. It is the result of globalist designs and the natural progression of outcomes related to them. Ultimately, it is the fulfillment of prophecy.

In God's own time, this world is screeching to an ugly end. Sin is bad. The human race isn't smart enough to govern itself from a sinful existance. God is the only way out.

I hate to boil it down so susinctly, but time is short and the events you observe with horror only serve to prove it. IMO

8 posted on 05/29/2002 9:42:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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So much that could be commented on, but this stands out:

The blond David of yesteryear surveys from a helicopter the occupied Palestinian lands and fires missiles at unarmed innocents; the delicate David of yore mans the most powerful tanks in the world and flattens and blows up what he finds in his tread; the lyrical David who sang praise to Bathsheba, incarnated today in the gargantuan figure of a war criminal named Ariel Sharon, hurls the 'poetic' message that first it is necessary to finish off the Palestinians in order later to negotiate with those who remain.

That use of "blond" is not, I think, just an image of a Jew rolling around in Saramago's head. It is, and attempt to associate Judaism with the Aryan ideal of Nazi Germany. Nasty stuff.

9 posted on 05/29/2002 9:54:12 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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There is another angle to this that the author does not touch on. I think there is an element of anti-Americanism and anti-Bushism that has given added fuel to the anti-Israeli forces. Bill Clinton paid some lip service to the goals of Leftist internationalism, and the European Left felt that he was a somewhat sympathetic figure. Hence, during his terms the anti-Israeli sentiments of the Left were somewhat muted.

Bush, on the other hand, has fairly consistently shown disdain for the internationalists' agenda, so now the anti-Israeli forces are showing their true colors. For the European left, the enemy is not Israel, but Israel/USA/Bush. The European Left knows Bush is not their man, so their pretext of support for Israel has been abandoned.
11 posted on 05/29/2002 10:01:41 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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"The Socialist Scholars Conference is an annual meeting of a few thousand people, most of them intellectuals of some sort. The conference has always resembled an ideological bazaar, with every ridiculous left-wing sect selling its sacred texts, side by side with sober European social democrats and American liberals."

Has it not, ever been so!

"To be sure, most people at the Socialist Scholars Conference would condemn random mass murders. But there is nothing new in condemning mass murder."

But, to be sure, the Left has always been willing to commit mass murder if it is an economical way to eliminate resistance. The big lie of the Left is that they are either an economic movement, political movement, or religious movement. The truth is the Left is a criminal movement to have government by Thugs, not of law.

With apologies to "Harpseal":

"Stay Well, Stay Armed, Yorktown".

12 posted on 05/29/2002 10:02:45 AM PDT by elbucko
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BTTT
15 posted on 05/29/2002 10:13:02 AM PDT by facedown
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There is so much in this article that I would like to comment on, but I will start with this:

contaminated by the monstrous and rooted 'certitude' that in this catastrophic and absurd world there exists a people chosen by God and that, consequently, all the actions of an obsessive, psychological and pathologically exclusivist racism are justified;

The author that was being quoted was simply taking a Jewish truism and turning it against the Jews, themselves, but the author fails to note that it is precisely the exact same sentiment that is held by the Muslims and taken to a much more extreme position of hate for the non-Muslim neighbors that is actually the root cause of tension.

Later in the same paragraph, the anti-semitic author quotes Deutoronomy saying, "Vengence in mine, saith the Lord." The author not only misinterprets the quotation, but ignores the fact that the God of Islam takes this sentiment much futher in sending out his followers in holy Jihads to destroy the unbelievers.

It is this intentional obtuseness of thought and inability to look in the mirror that is standing in the way of a peace agreement in Israel.

16 posted on 05/29/2002 10:18:32 AM PDT by Eva
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I guess we're not nearly done with the business of the 20th Century.

So far, in our world, there has been little intellectual honesty about the true nature of events since WWI.

The fact is, we live in the Age Of Socialism or something like that, and most significant narratives of our time feature millions of humans being liquidated for the greater glory of some collectivity or other.

Genocidal warfare will be what we are remembered for a thousand years hence, I expect.

This is not our fault. Unless we lose a war.

17 posted on 05/29/2002 10:18:34 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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BTTT!
18 posted on 05/29/2002 10:22:33 AM PDT by ELS
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He pointed to the story of David and Goliath, which, though commonly pictured as a tale of underdog triumph, is actually the story of a blond person (David's blond hair seemed to catch Saramago's attention) employing a superior technology to kill at a distance a helpless and presumably non-blond person, the unfortunate and oppressed Goliath.

Actually, David vs. Goliath is much more like a Hungarian freedom fighter with a Molotov cocktail against a Soviet tank. He might possibly win, but he hardly wields a "superior technology."

David had one shot to hit a probably four inch square target or seconds later Goliath would have chopped him into very small pieces.

21 posted on 05/29/2002 10:33:23 AM PDT by Restorer
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I could cite a dozen other instances where, in the last few weeks, someone in a city like New York or Washington, London or Paris, has argued or chanted in favor of mass murder

The Forward is not one to complain. Check out this puff piece they wrote recently on Isaac Babel, an accomplice to genocide.

26 posted on 05/29/2002 10:42:29 AM PDT by LarryLied
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BTTT
28 posted on 05/29/2002 12:39:52 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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bump
29 posted on 05/29/2002 2:40:47 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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Interesting post. It tempted me to spend the last few hours at blueletterbible.org. I have to get off, now, but a couple of points:

Re: the "helpless....unfortunate and oppressed" Goliath of the Philistines:

The character of the Philistines: www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/choice/1022720628.html

The Philistines were idolators: 1 Sam. 5:2 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa005.html#top) and Judges 16:23. Samson and the Dagon Fish god (engraving) http://blueletterbible.org/images/bible_images/Samson/samson_fishgod1.html

The battle - the Philistines and Goliath were looking for trouble: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa017.html#1

A commentary on David and the battle: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/comm_read/1022722704.html

Has this guy accepted Jesus Christ? No? Then he sounds like the scribes and Pharisees whom Jesus condemned in Matt. 23:30: "And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets." (or of the blood of Jesus?) Matthew 23, a great chapter: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat023.html

The scribes and Pharisees http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/choice/1022708248.html were probably of the group Jesus was referring to when he said "ye who say ye are Jews, but are not Jews, but are of the synagogue of Satan". (Rev. 2:9, and Rev. 3:9). A multitude of Jews DID believe and were saved (Acts 2:4 - 3 thousand, Acts 4:4 - 5 thousand, to name two instances). In Matthew 23:39, He said to the scribes and Pharisees: "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord", (and they will - Psalm 22/John 19:37) as the MULTITUDE did in Matthew 21:8-11 http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat021.html. If these people would get out of their Satanic bible and get into the real thing, we'd ALL be better off.

One more thought: The Real Enemy of the Arabs (You have to scroll down) http://watch.pair.com/Israel.html. While at watch.pair, see their article on the Lost Tribe of Dan, (http://watch.pair.com/Dan.html). It will make the David and Goliath story even more interesting. The Philistines extended on the Mediterrean coast from Joppa to Gaza. On one map, Joppa is in Dan.

30 posted on 05/29/2002 3:31:27 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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This is a good article. It exposes the shallowness of thought that exists on practically every level of the Israel-Palestinian discussion, from the man on the street to the so called "intellectuals", they just don't think things through very clearly, and have not studied the history very well, and do not consider the consequences of their propositions.

31 posted on 05/29/2002 3:49:42 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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every ridiculous left-wing sect selling its sacred texts, side by side with sober European social democrats and American liberals.

You are known by the company you keep.

32 posted on 05/29/2002 3:59:24 PM PDT by Alouette
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