To: Eva
The author that was being quoted was simply taking a Jewish truism and turning it against the Jews, themselves, but the author fails to note that it is precisely the exact same sentiment that is held by the Muslims and taken to a much more extreme position of hate for the non-Muslim neighbors that is actually the root cause of tension. The difference is that Jewish exclucivism is largely, sometimes entirely, based on "blood." It is difficult, though not impossible, to convert to Judaism. Many Jews don't consider converts to be "real Jews."
There is thus a strong ethnic or "racial" component to Jewish belief that is almost totally absent from Islam.
I'm not approving or condemning either side here, just pointing out facts.
20 posted on
05/29/2002 10:30:10 AM PDT by
Restorer
To: Restorer
I've found, though, that the more orthodox the Jew is the more likely he or she is to accept a convert as a real Jew, as long as the conversion was performed under orthodox auspices. In fact, the rabbi who converted my wife noted that the vast majority of converts knew of having Jewish ancestry (including my wife) and saw conversion as more of a return than a change.
It is the more reform Jews, in my experience, who are more likely to consider a convert "Not a real Jew," especially for not having had to face discrimination. It's a liberal-left group identity sort of thing.
To: Restorer
I agree with you about the racial component. It is the reason that Judaism spurns proselytizing. It is also the reason that the Jews are vastly outnumbered by the Islamic world. The focus of Judaism is not to rule the world, as it is in Islam, but rather to be allowed to live in peace and maintain their relative racial purity as the chosen people of God in the land that was promised to them.
24 posted on
05/29/2002 10:38:05 AM PDT by
Eva
To: Restorer
Many Jews don't consider converts to be "real Jews." Any non-Jew who converts according to Jewish law is a "Real Jew." There are some non-Jews who convert through schismatic sects (called "Reform" "Reconstructionist" "Conservative" etc. who do not believe in the Bible, or observe the commandments.) who are not Jews because:
1. They don't practice or believe in Judaism.
2. Their "conversion" was not conducted according to Jewish law.
Once these converts come in line with Jewish law they are "Real Jews" no ifs ands or buts.
Finished. Period. End of story.
I'm not approving or condemning either side here, just pointing out facts.
I just pointed out facts. What you did was tell a falsehood.
36 posted on
05/29/2002 5:00:40 PM PDT by
Alouette
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