Posted on 06/01/2002 9:37:15 AM PDT by Mom_Grandmother
Southern Heritage News & Views
6/01/02
An Englishman's Take on the Confederate Flag
Dear Friends of the South,
As an Englishman, living in England, may I throw my hat into the ring also, in relation to the letter by the lady Prudence.
1) As you are all aware, the UK consists of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England. (A mini US if you will, with England as the major partner) Should one of these countries wish total independence, I for one would not take up arms to retain it.
2) Had I been alive and in the American Colonies in 1776, I too would have fought for my right to independence and the creation of the United States.
3) Had I been alive and living in the south in 1861, I too would have fought for my right to independence and the creation of the Confederate States.
4)I would have owned NO slaves, just as 80% of those who fought for the Confederacy OWNED NO SLAVES !
5)Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves IN THE CONFEDERACY (the country he had no control over) All slaves in the north remained in bondage.
6) There were more slaves in Washington DC in 1861 than there were in Charleston SC.
7) When the proclamation was issued, the 6th Ohio put their guns down and went home.
8)My personal hero, Lt.Gen. A.P.Hill, felt slavery was evil and owned none.
9) In England, a bunch of low-life racist's use the Cross of St George as their flag, yet it can be seen flying everywhere because of the Queen's Jubilee.
10)The reference to the War for Southern Independence being a "White man's fight" was changed in the late 19th century from the original "Free man's fight", and all reference to the 60,000 brave gentlemen of colour who fought for the Confederacy (of their own free will) was all but wiped out, except for reference in English and French history books !!!!!!
11)Slave traders bought their slaves fron Africa, sold to them by Arabs on occasion, but mostly by other Black African's !!!!!
12)I am ashamed to say that Jews, who should have known better, also owned slaves and I AM A JEW!!! but I still do living history, dress as a Confederate soldier and tell the truth about what happened, warts and all and I proudly fly my Battle Flag !!!
Every nation must learn from its history and not be afraid to admit where it went wrong.
For The Confederacy to fight to retain its independence was RIGHT.
For The Confederacy to have slaves was WRONG.
But that is HISTORY.
Here in the UK, school children can read that we invented Concentration Camps during the Boer War, 50 years before Hitler. WE DON'T TRY TO COVER IT UP OR CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT MAY BE OFFENSIVE. We've made mistakes AND WE LIVE WITH THEM.
The War for Southern Independence was what it was, warts and all. Admit to the bad parts, but BE PROUD OF THE GOOD PARTS!!!!
Most of all, KEEP FLYING THE BATTLE FLAG AND BE PROUD OF IT !!!!
Norman Strongman
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DATE: May 29, 2002
SUBJECT: Reb Wows Crowds in Greenville
Reb Sutherland, candidate for SC Governor, spoke before the Americans for Constitutional Government at 11:00 a.m. in Greenville, SC on May 28, 2002. Reb told them, "It is up to you and me to uphold the South Carolina Constitution and the United States Constitution. Our judges will no longer do it."
Reb also spoke in the gubernatorial forum which was hosted by WORD Radio at the Bob Jones University in Strantton Hall. The doors opened at 6:30 p.m. and the room filled almost immediately which held approximately several hundred seats. This event was the talk-of-the-town all day. Several television anchor men and women completed a panel that asked questions of the candidates. Ralph Bristol moderated the event.
Reb enjoyed a lively exchange with a wonderful audience. Topics included plutonium, lottery money, education, tax cuts, economic plans, etc. However, the clincher for the evening was the question about the NAACP boycott which continues to demand removal of the Confederate Flag from state properties.
Reb told her opponents that they can't say the issue is over. "It came up tonight. I was facing down the NAACP in Little River while you were out making speeches," said Reb. "The NAACP started the boycott in 1999, and the original statement is on its website. I have two things to say about this issue. First, I have written a book entitled, AMERICAN AND RUSSIAN ALLIANCE OF 1858.
My book has a quote from Karl Marx who was a peer of that era. He made it very clear that the War Between The States was not fought over slavery at all; instead, it was fought over tariffs . . . that's taxes. If the Communists can understand this, then I figure South Carolina can, too. Second, as soon as I become Governor, I will give the NAACP twenty-four hours to lift that boycott. It they don't, then I will put on my jeans, and shimmy up that pole to put the symbol of state sovereignty back on the dome."
The crowd went wild.
You go sister! I was going to vote for Charlie Condon for governor, but now I'm not so sure.
I'll bet they don't fly the nazi flag over Parliament, either, though.
You don't have to take the Civil War out of the history books (indeed, those "Hollywood types" have made millions form Civil War History, as has PBS). Just take the flag of seditious rebels of the state house grounds.
But I guess that's too much to ask.
For more on what the NAACP is all about, as well as some specifics on this very issue, see Civil War, Reconstruction & Creating Hate In America Today.
For those unwilling to go to the article, it discusses both the NAACP creation by White Fabian Socialists and how the organization has fulfilled its original purpose by creating hatred between the races ever since. Anyone who would appease the NAACP is either a fool, too lazy to really study the issue, or an enemy of fundamental American principles.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
You are one of the many that will never understand, that flag was a "Battle Flag", it was flown during the course of war, the North won the war, but they do not have the right to take the flag away from the decendents of the people that fought that war, it's personal! It represents Southern Heritage, their families, their heritage, not yours. It will never be erased by a handful of "offended" blacks and snot-nosed liberals, to do that would be to deny all Southerners their right to their Heritage.
We Southerners are mighty "Offended" by many things around us in this world, but we don't go out of our way to stomp on the Civil Rights of others to eliminate them either. The NAACP and anyone else that is offended by this flag had just best get over it, that Battle Flag is going no where, and they should have left well enough alone.
Fine. Hang it in your living room, and eat dinner in front of it.
But don't try to co-opt me into your heritage of losers.
My point exactly, if such a big deal had not been made over our flag, you would not see so many people flying it today. No one paid much notice of the Battle Flag atop the Dome till the NAACP came along and started to "strong arm" the people, and now you will see this Flag "everywhere".
If Reb Sutherland does climb the pole to raise the Confederate Battle Flag, I will be there, front row center to give her any help she needs just for the devil of it. As I said, they should have left well enough alone.
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Where No Flag Flies
Donald Davidson and the Southern Resistance Mark Royden Winchell
Donald Davidson (1893!1968) may well be the most unjustifiably neglected figure in twentieth-century southern literature. One of the most important poets of the Fugitive movement, he also produced a substantial body of literary criticism, the libretto for an American folk opera, a widely used composition textbook, and the recently discovered novel The Big Ballad Jamboree. As a social and political activist, Davidson had significant impact on conservative thought in this century, imfluencing important scholars from Cleanth Brooks to M. E. Bradford.
Despite these accomplishments, Donald Davidson has received little critical attention from either the literary or the southern scholarly community. Where No Flag Flies is Mark Royden Winchell's redress of this critical disservice. A comprehensive intellectual biography of Davidson, this seminal work offers a complete narrative of Davidson's life with all of its triumphs and losses, frustrations and fulfillments.
Winchell provides the reader with more than a simple study of a man and his achievements; he paints a complete portrait of the times in which Davidson published, from the 1930s to the early 1960s. Davidson was more directly involved in political and social activities than most writers of his generation, and Winchell provides the context, both literary and historical, in which Davidson's opinions and works developed. At the same time, Winchell offers detailed evaluations of Davidson's poetry, fiction, historical writings, and essays.
Drawing upon a wealth of previously unpublished archival material, including Davidson's letters and diary, Where No Flag Flies provides unique access to one of the most original minds of the twentieth-century South. Donald Davidson may not have achieved the recognition he deserved, but this remarkable biography finally makes it possible for a considerable literary audience to discover his true achievement.
About the Author
Mark Royden Winchell is Professor of English at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. He is the author of numerous books, including Cleanth Brooks and the Rise of Modern Criticism.
I would love to know why he chose Hill as his own personal hero? There were much more distinguished generals on the southern side.
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