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Coffee targeted as Seattle tax source/They drained the smokers, now it's coffee!
MSNBC ^ | June 1, 2002 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/01/2002 11:30:55 AM PDT by SheLion

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To: SheLion
I remember how Archie Bunker hated him when he was Sally Struthers' hippie boyfriend in All In The Family. . No one could stand his politics, that's for sure.
41 posted on 06/01/2002 11:03:03 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: AAABEST
do their dirty work and not get compensated?

ahhh, but florida DOES compensate you for collecting sales taxes - the grand whopping sum of 2.5% of the amount of the net tax due

but, they wouldn't want those greedy businesses getting rich collecting the gubmint's pound of flesh, so it's limited to 30 bucks per return, which could be 1, 2, 4 or 12 per year, just think, as much as $360 per year for frequent filers!

of course, if you're even one day late filing a return, ooops, sorry, no collection allowance for you, an extra-specially nice back-door penalty on top of the minimum 10% late-filing penalty

i'm not a cpa, and i don't play one on tv, but i do keep the books for someone who has sold about 300k of stuff on ebay and yahoo

very little is delivered (and thus taxable) in florida, but, once a day i spend about 60 seconds plugging her revenue and expenses into my spreadsheet, and, the day after each quarter ends, the florida sales tax return entries can be transferred to paper and dumped in the mail

but, alas, because the tax she pays on her purchases for resale from outfits which won't do non-taxable sales (by law, they don't have to if they don't want to, whether due to laziness, cashier stupidity, or whatever) reduce the net tax due, she winds up with little or no collection allowance

every time i calculate 2.5% of nothing, i think again of how considerate florida was, in their infinite wisdom, to base their gigantic tax collection allowance on net tax due, instead of tax collected

i gleefully rub my hands as i assume about 24 hours of effort (one minute per day) over the last 4 years to obtain collection allowances totalling $8.83, and calculate that the compensation was the princely sum of about 37 cents per hour

no, wait, that doesn't count the endless pleasurable hours explaining to morons that the "internet tax moratorium" doesn't mean that they don't have to pay the tax, or make any allowance for all of the considerate people who "forget" to pay it, leaving her to eat the minor amount because it's not worth the trouble

why, taking all of those extra benefits into account, nobody can say florida doesn't pay us a veritable king's ransom to do their dirty work for them

surely the exalted and grossly over-compensated position of "private tax collector for the welfare state" must be in heavy demand, and we should just shut up and stop whining lest they take our sinecures away

42 posted on 06/02/2002 12:26:02 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: SheLion
When they start taxing donuts they'll run into a real buzzsaw, 'cause they'll have to fight the police unions tooth and nail.
43 posted on 06/02/2002 2:42:36 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Cultural Jihad
I get that question all the time....

I have no idea who that is.
44 posted on 06/02/2002 8:10:41 AM PDT by cmsgop
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To: AntiScumbag
Gosh d00d, you said it.

I was never actually called by a tax collector, I was a little taken aback. It's funny, most book keepers and accountants really hate the tax system we have even though it's their livelihood. Keep on preaching.

45 posted on 06/02/2002 8:20:48 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: SheLion
"We know that the city of Seattle voters are dedicated to their children," Moy said. "This is one way they can enable children more access to quality pre-kindergarten care."

We don't want to ban it,...yet.
But it's for the 'chirun' so go ahead and vote to tax your bathroom usage too.

In a prepared statement, Starbucks said the company did not understand why the group "would recommend an additional consumer tax on espresso beverages, or any other single consumer product, to fund this initiative."

I'll bet they didin't say a word when the state upped the cigarette tax. Now their ox is getting gored.

46 posted on 06/03/2002 6:29:40 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: SheLion
This rubs me the wrong way. I am NOT responsible for any children, their parents are. I didn't make them, and I'm not paying for them.
I've got an idea, since the Valley Freeway needs a few more lanes, why don't we tax baby food to pay for the construction?
If they would have said the 10 cents was going towards a better environment, better roads, saving the planet, whatever, thats fine. I refuse to work 60 hours per week only to have my hard earned money supporting people that shouldn't have had children to begin with.
47 posted on 09/22/2002 9:21:59 PM PDT by Mocha_Man
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To: 185JHP
Businesses are servants of the people

Yes, they are. Businesses like espresso bars serve their customers by giving them espresso in exchange for money. I have no idea what that has to do with The Early Learning and Care Committee.

...and people get protected by government

Government should protect the people in this case by refusing to impose a tax to redistribute taxpayer dollars to a small minority of advocates.

48 posted on 09/22/2002 10:10:11 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
I've thought about it, and you're right. I don't agree with this tax. I made my post in irritation at those who opine that their lust for a drug carried in a weed means they can stenchify other people's air. A tax on coffee - especially to benefit a certain PC group - is not right in the instant case. I stand corrected.
49 posted on 09/22/2002 10:40:05 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: SheLion
This is just getting to be ridiculous. We should all take our cigarettes and coffee and throw them in a harbor somewhere...that would really irk the eco-freaks.
50 posted on 09/22/2002 10:46:57 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: 185JHP
I read in the paper today that this initiative is not going to be on the ballot. The group of idiots behind this thought the city council would place the initiative on the ballot, but the city council decided not to take that action after all. The group tried to get a judge to force them to do so, but the judge refused.
51 posted on 09/22/2002 10:49:20 PM PDT by B Knotts
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/88055_lattetax21.shtml

Judge's ruling means latte-tax vote delayed

Saturday, September 21, 2002

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER STAFF

The espresso-tax initiative apparently won't make it onto the ballot until next year, after a judge yesterday ruled against the group sponsoring it.

King County Superior Court Judge Jim Doerty ruled that the Seattle City Council had met its obligation to consider the initiative and could not be forced to act before the 45-day deadline for considering it was up.

The initiative, filed by the Early Learning and Care Campaign, proposes a dime tax on espresso drinks to raise money for child care and preschool programs. Thirty-thousand people signed a petition to get the measure on a ballot.

The campaign sued the city for failing to act on it by yesterday's deadline to put it on the November ballot. The 45-day deadline for the council's consideration, however, is not until Thursday.

Several council members said that although the council is in agreement on the importance of early childhood education, members can't agree on how to raise the money.

By law, the council has 45 days in which to adopt the initiative as law, place it on the ballot with an alternative or let it go to the ballot alone at the next regularly scheduled election.

© 1998-2002 Seattle Post-Intelligencer


52 posted on 09/22/2002 10:55:34 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: SheLion
The most remarkable thing about this little plan is its in-your-face "progressive" nature. Tobacco taxes have masked this by pretending to be about the "damage" that particular devotion causes society, quite as if the nickels and dimes collected in that regard flow directly to hospital wards. Some poor naive souls actually believe this.

But this particular tax is so blatantly and shamelessly confiscatory it's almost refreshing. No one pretends that espresso has a thing to do with child care, this is simply "you have money, we want it, we're going to take some of it from you, and we're going to use the state to enforce it." And, this being Seattle, everyone accepts that as the natural course of behavior.

Well, almost everyone. Me, I'll be buying mine when I leave for work - and that's outside the city limits. The kiddies' moms can find another cow to milk. The really sad thing is that it's folks like AABEST and cmsgop who suffer for this. Sorry, guys, I really am.

53 posted on 09/22/2002 10:58:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 185JHP
I don't agree with this tax.

Good for you.

The more I read about these tax initiatives, I start to recognize this from some of my reading of history. We've actually done this kind of thing before, in medieval Europe. It didn't work very well then, either.

There were people in medieval times who would go to a king and ask for money for a worthy project. Sometimes, if the king said yes, but was low on cash, he would give them the right to tax something in order to raise the money. After enough people came for money, the kingdom would be in financial trouble because the taxing ability was given away to others.

54 posted on 09/22/2002 11:25:55 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Mocha_Man
I refuse to work 60 hours per week only to have my hard earned money supporting people that shouldn't have had children to begin with.

I agree with you one hundred and 10 percent! I believe that people who have no children in school should be tax exempt from this. They are digging deep into our pockets to pay for something that we have no (more) interest in.

55 posted on 09/23/2002 6:43:48 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: KS Flyover
Thirty-thousand people signed a petition to get the measure on a ballot.

Go figure. Thirty-thousand people signed a petition????  LOL!  I think people need to open their shades and see the light.

56 posted on 09/23/2002 6:46:38 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Billthedrill
Well, almost everyone. Me, I'll be buying mine when I leave for work - and that's outside the city limits. The kiddies' moms can find another cow to milk. The really sad thing is that it's folks like AABEST and cmsgop who suffer for this. Sorry, guys, I really am.

Shop Cheap!  It's your civic duty!  AND the American Way!  We can always find what we want cheaper somewhere else, and they will just have to find other ways to collect that tax!
 

57 posted on 09/23/2002 6:50:57 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Born in a Rage
This is just getting to be ridiculous. We should all take our cigarettes and coffee and throw them in a harbor somewhere...that would really irk the eco-freaks.

BOSTON TEA PARTY all over again!!! Exactly!!!

58 posted on 09/23/2002 6:52:18 AM PDT by SheLion
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