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Coffee targeted as Seattle tax source/They drained the smokers, now it's coffee!
MSNBC ^ | June 1, 2002 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/01/2002 11:30:55 AM PDT by SheLion

Child-care advocates push for 10-cent tax

A proposed tax could hit Seattleites where it really hurts: their coffee mugs. A group of child-care advocates, seeking more money for early education, filed an initiative Friday that would place a 10-cent city tax on Seattle’s lifeblood - espresso drinks.

BUT IN Seattle, where voters have already voted to tax tobacco, meals and hotel rooms, among other things, initial word of the proposal caused barely a jolt among the area’s latte lovers.

“Coffee, in a way, it’s kind of a luxury item,” said Patty Grazini, who frequents the Diva Espresso Bar in Seattle’s Greenwood district. “As long as the money went to the programs it was supposed to, I would support it.”

The Early Learning and Care Committee, which is made up of parents, teachers and child-care directors, expects the tax would raise $7 million to $10 million a year in this coffee-addicted city.

The money would be used to increase wages for child-care teachers, help low- and middle-income families obtain quality child care and increase the amount of high-quality care available in Seattle, said Lisa Moy, campaign manager of the initiative.

The committee has until early August to collect the 17,228 valid signatures needed to get the initiative on November’s ballot.

Melissa Petersen, barista at Diva Espresso, wasn’t so sure the initiative was a good idea. Another 10 cents is a lot to ask for a drink that already can cost $3 to $4, she said.

“They’ve got a smoking tax, regular taxes, why not a yuppie tax?” Petersen said sarcastically.

GUARANTEED INCOME SOURCE

Grazini, 50, averages about two cappuccinos a day and has no problem flipping the bistro an extra couple of dimes. The tax would bring the cost of her daily caffeine dosage to about $4.20, or an additional $73 a year.

Under the plan, drip coffee would not be taxed. Moy said taxing espresso drinks is a guaranteed source of income in Seattle, where many residents can’t get through the day without a caffeine hit.

“We know that the city of Seattle voters are dedicated to their children,” Moy said. “This is one way they can enable children more access to quality pre-kindergarten care.”

Since the tax would apply to businesses that gross more than $50,000 annually, Moy said Starbucks and Tully’s Coffee — Seattle’s main coffee purveyors — have been informed of the group’s plan.

In a prepared statement, Starbucks said the company did not understand why the group “would recommend an additional consumer tax on espresso beverages, or any other single consumer product, to fund this initiative.”

Company spokeswoman Audrey Lincoff would not comment further.

The tax would do little to affect business at Diva Espresso’s four locations in Seattle, manager Stephen Johnson said.

“Regular customers would initially notice, but they would adapt to it very readily,” Johnson said. “I think coffee’s a pretty strong drug. People need their caffeine.”


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; childcare; cigarettes; government; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; tobacco
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They came for the smokers, now they are coming for you!
1 posted on 06/01/2002 11:30:55 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; JohnHuang2 ...
“I think coffee’s a pretty strong drug. People need their caffeine.”

Now COFFEE is a DRUG!!!!

2 posted on 06/01/2002 11:32:15 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Earlier post Doctor in Seattle wants to Tax Your Espresso so that Daycare Workers can be Paid Better
3 posted on 06/01/2002 11:34:02 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: SheLion
With all the money the Fedgov is required to spend enforcing the clean air act they will be charging us for air within two years. They destroyed the small business base, coming after us every way they can now.
4 posted on 06/01/2002 11:36:33 AM PDT by steve50
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steve! You got THAT right!

They are trying to find every way in the world to tax the air we breath.

5 posted on 06/01/2002 11:39:03 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Free the USA
We must have hit "Post" at about the same time.
6 posted on 06/01/2002 11:39:31 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Private consumers can't be trusted to spend their money in socially responsible ways. Only the Experts know how best to spend our money for us. By all means, increase taxes everywhere, on everything, wherever & whenever possible. Every dime left in private hands is a dime wasted. Ask the Norwegians and the Swedes, who never saw a tax they didn't love. They should be our model.
7 posted on 06/01/2002 11:41:58 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: SheLion
I think they will have to figure out a way to give ownership of air to a WTO outfit first, but make no mistake, it's coming.
8 posted on 06/01/2002 11:42:09 AM PDT by steve50
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To: SheLion
F!@#$%^ Liberals!!!!!!!

My wife and I run an Independant Espresso,Drive Thru/Cafe. We are going to do everything in our power to stop this!
9 posted on 06/01/2002 11:46:27 AM PDT by cmsgop
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To: SheLion
Now here's the weird part. I can understand some politician coming up with yet another source of revenue.....but it's incredulous that the idiots in Seattle would vote in yet another tax. Liberalism seems to be rampant in America's cities. Must be a lot of voters on the dole....or getting a government check.
10 posted on 06/01/2002 11:48:40 AM PDT by hove
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To: SheLion
There's one thing that pisses me off about all this that nobody EVER talks about: The small business that has to collect the taxes.

I run a small business, and anyone out there who does will know what a task and cost it is to collect these taxes, keep all of your "papers" in order and deal with the government. If everything is not squared away you incur penalties.

Florida is real cute. I was a few days late this quarter so the other day I get a PHONE CALL from the tax collector. Gee what neat new tactic, just like the the good old days when the Monarch sent the tax collector out, except now we have phones.

At first I thought it was one of my associates playing a joke, because they're in the process of dragging his dick around in the dirt for the same thing. Nope, it was a real-life schmuck tax collector calling my house.

Question: Why in the hell should I have to be their damn tax collector? I have to do their dirty work and not get compensated? I thank the lord that my wife is a CPA or I honestly don't know what I would do. I don't know how guys that don't have an accountant in the family ever get started for cryin' out loud.

With small business owners, there's just not enough of us to get together to change anything so we just have to sit back and take it. I can't even believe I'm still surviving after all of the s**t I've had to go through just dealing with the government.

Don't wanna sound like I'm whining, but the government has honestly been my biggest obstcacle to my business thriving and bringing my customers a good value.

11 posted on 06/01/2002 12:01:11 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: SheLion
Under the plan, drip coffee would not be taxed.

Moy forgot to add "yet" to the end of her sentence. Citizens, or I should say, Comrades aren't allowed to have disposable income in THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF SEATTLE.

What business does the city have paying for wages at privately run day care centers with taxpayer's money?

If this passes - and it probably will - I hope there is still someone left in Seattle, not towing the party line ( I know there are a few FReepers that qualify), that will challenge it in Federal Court.

12 posted on 06/01/2002 12:05:36 PM PDT by theirjustdue
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To: SheLion
A tax on the 'fat' content of your meal is coming. You can figure the arguments/justification. We used to laugh at smoking restrictions, urinetests for employment, bbqbans(coals/gas). It's hard to laugh anymore.
13 posted on 06/01/2002 12:06:46 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: SheLion
Oh goody. They can have an upcoming episode of "Frasier" where Frasier and Niles complain about getting taxed everytime they buy a latte at their favorite coffee shop.

Enter Special guest star Rob Reiner, as the head of iamyourchild.org, who lectures Frasier and Niles about how selfish they are for complaining, until they break down and apologize.

14 posted on 06/01/2002 12:15:56 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: SheLion
OTH, if you can afford or don't mind paying $4.00 for a cup of coffee, what's a dime or so the argument will go.
15 posted on 06/01/2002 12:20:03 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: SheLion
The second hand aroma from coffee has been proven to cause each and every form of disease known to man.(See UN report # 282637482927271615-1a)The amount of Social disorder caused by lack of child care and well paid EEOP employees has become staggering.
16 posted on 06/01/2002 12:20:26 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: cmsgop
Looking at the last photo on your profile page, who's the guy who's standing next to the murderer and the pervert?
17 posted on 06/01/2002 12:28:10 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: SheLion
Sweet justice to see Starbucks squeal over liberal policies.
18 posted on 06/01/2002 12:29:21 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: vikingchick
I'd support a tax on meathead actors, but they'd just pass the tax onto the consumers of their reruns.
19 posted on 06/01/2002 12:32:19 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: SheLion
They came for the smokers, now they are coming for you!

I wish I was suprised.

20 posted on 06/01/2002 12:34:26 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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