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To: Asmodeus
Yeah...Sort of like how the FBI worked to shut up all the witnesses who claimed to see a light rising up towards the plane and striking it. No, citizen, you did not see that. That was aluminum flying upwards...I mean flying downwards but appearing to fly upwards...it was Venus! Er...sorry, wrong investigation.

Flight 800 was struck by a shoulder-launched SAM, probably a Stinger, probably a Stinger we gave to the Afgans to repell the Soviets. The 'evidence' given by the FBI and NTSB is not as compelling to me as the eye-witness accounts from so many people.

Tuor

16 posted on 06/01/2002 4:53:54 PM PDT by Tuor
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To: Tuor
Then it should be easy for you to provide the readers with a meaningful rebuttal of The "Missile Witnesses" Myth. It will be a real feather in your cap if you can because none of the others who have zealously promoted the "Missile(s) shootdown" notion have been able to do it - and it's reasonable for everyone else to assume that if they could have, they would have.
17 posted on 06/01/2002 5:14:13 PM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: Tuor
I'm with you on this one. Too many people saw something from different positions to dismiss it.

And since when does jet fuel, which is like kerosene, explode from an ignition source? Works in a diesel engine when it is under high compression and thus extremely high temperature.

18 posted on 06/01/2002 5:17:41 PM PDT by Techster
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To: Tuor
Yeah...Sort of like how the FBI worked to shut up all the witnesses who claimed to see a light rising up towards the plane and striking it. No, citizen, you did not see that. That was aluminum flying upwards...I mean flying downwards but appearing to fly upwards...it was Venus! Er...sorry, wrong investigation.

And we all know debris falls up, don't we?

Look, everyone, do not buy into Asmodeus' continuing propoganda pieces. Those looking for facts can find them in Jack Cashill's article, "Silenced: Flight 800 and the Subversion of Justice," originally published in chapters by World Net Daily and available for the first time in its entirety for anyone who asks. I am not selling it in any way. I just want the truth to be told.

If you are interested, and you have MS Word, please send me a private response.

26 posted on 06/02/2002 7:38:22 AM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Tuor
You can blame dis-information clowns like Rivero, Donaldson and Salinger who claimed that the Navy did it for this not being pursued. Their wild accusations killed any chance of a small missile being looked into. They did their job well.
28 posted on 06/02/2002 8:13:03 AM PDT by willyone
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To: Tuor
BTW, An idea arose recently with reports of the 911 hijacker's letter to his girlfriend regarding his underwater training concurrent with his airline piloting lessons.

I wonder if it's possible to launch a Stinger from underwater with a few to no modifications.

Here's a few synchronistic facts.

MidEastern men recently purchasing rebreather or 'bubbleless' SCUBA gear in Florida.

One of the 911 hijackers reports himself immediately prior to 911 that e's training in aviation and underwater skills.

Iranian terrorist training employs skills in shoulderfired AA missile and SCUBA.

Skill sets of assymetric warfare involving Al-Quada generally imply enemy personnel conducting the acts have less than graduate level engineering experience, but WTC collapse implies graduate level engineering design of an innovative nature in mechanical/aeronautical power/forces.

USN had a significant presence on the surface/subsurface area below the TWA 800 incident vicinity, which dispersed soon thereafter.

Highly unlikely USN was covering up its own malfeasance if it fired a missile simply by nature of military structure, and command and control limitations in highly visible scenarios. However, if USN was reacting to intel foreknowledge in search of unknown particular threat, their presence would be nicely explained and lack of knowledge throughout also nicey explained.

Subsurface area within 1st atmosphere in slightly choppy waters might provide sufficient skip zones and noise to remove positive sonar detection of near surface swimmers. Even if not an actual measurement, sufficient uncertainty exists to encourage this as an avenue of possible approach for an enemy underwater swimmer.

An important note: Even if generally not possible with an off the shelf Stinger, few environments exist in the US military for sufficient latitude to toy, field engineer, modify, or tinker with Stingers to develop such a weapon. Even in project management of such weapons, it's likely that such an idea would be developed first by concept study and engineered design, then prototyping, rather than hands-on tinkering until a new state of the art was created. However, in asymetric warfare, it is very likely that weapons such as Stingers might be tinkered with by amateurs with sufficient functional knowledge and wherewithal to develop such tactical innovation with little to no budget or identifiable overhead/or significant logistics trail.

Considering movies of underwater sub launches of Polaris missiles are fairly prolific and probably identifiable as a signature of US might, and availability of Stingers if it exists to Al-Quada from past mid-east associations, even if this hasn't happeed, I suspect it's a reasonable expectation of the skillsets of such an enemy.

Obviously the above needs substantial research and quantification before it might be plausible entertained as the answer to TWA800. When I observed the synchronicity of such a scenario nicely explaining events and also consistant with human character of all the parties reporting eyewitness accounts on a missle theory, but deafening silence of the authorities even where obvious credible eyewitness reports are discarded, the more consistent this possible scenario seems to withstand.

Anybody else out there ever see this possible theory in a CT thread or similar for disproof or confirmation?

41 posted on 06/02/2002 11:54:20 PM PDT by Cvengr
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