Why Elmer...(Note to "newbys": A$$modeus is also known as Elmer [Fudd] Barr, a known disinfo artiste, currently Pi$$ed off because of being "barred" from spreading his tripe on the twa800.com list)
Your Missile Witness Myth document rests heavily on Faret and Wendell's personally prepared witness statements. Richard Hirsch has questioned Faret on his testimony because of apparent discrepancies.
Q: What was your altitude when you were flying over to the burning debris field?
A: 8100 feet (+/-) down to 7700 (+/-) directly toward it.
Q: Did you actually fly over the burning debris field?
A: I'd have to say yes. If it wasn't directly over it was a little to the NW, a good viewing angle. As soon as we saw the explosion we didn't take our eyes off of it. I was watching the flames descending through the air waiting for them to contact the water. As the flames spread out on the water surface I could see more "stuff" fall into the flames that had lit up the water. The water was black so our only indication of where the surface was, was when the flames hit it. ...the rest is in the report.
Q: I believe you said you saw the smoke cloud drifting slowly to the NNW. Do you mean that's the direction of travel of the smoke cloud?
The reason I ask is the NTSB meteorlogical data gives the direction of wind at 123 degrees true. The average speed of the wind was 24 ft/sec or about 15 mph.
A: I suggest that the winds below the haze were moving the plume in a SE direction. What were the winds reported at 6,9,12000' Feet? Nothing is straight forward or simple. We reported what we saw. (2 of us saw the same thing, some credibility must lie there)
Q: You were about 17 NM from the point where FLT800 exploded. Your aircraft was flying at 95 knots. It would have taken your aircraft almost 12 minutes to get to the smoke cloud (a little more if the cloud was moving SSE). Could you have simply under estimated your flight time to the cloud?
A: I travel at 152 kts at that altitude. It took 5-6 minutes. We never took our eyes off of it. The direction of travel was apparent from the stretching "tornado type" plume leaving the cloud and going to the fire. What's also interesting here is that you could clearly see where the plume transitioned from clear sky into the haze layer. 6000' that night. Our viewing perspective was perfect. I have to stand by our report 100%.
Q: I assume that 152 knots is your airspeed. What would be your ground speed?
A: Close to the same, that evening.
Q: What was the approximate climb rate of your aircraft as you approached Riverhead at 00:31:12?
A: 500-700 FPM
Comments by Richard Hirsch
I checked Sven Faret's aircraft position from two radar sources. First his position at 00:31:12 was found on a MegaData plot which shows the positions of all the aircraft in the area of FLT800 at that time. Sven's aircraft was right where he said it was in his report. Next I found a radar target flying at an altitude of 7600 feet which was on a direct course from Riverhead, LI to the crash site.
The speed of the radar target was about the same as Sven Faret's aircraft. The time of the position for that radar fix was 00:37:10. At that time Sven Faret's aircraft was still a little over 6 NM from the burning debris area. Flying at 152 knots Sven faret's aircraft would have been over the burning debris of FLT800 at approximately 00:40:00. It took Sven Faret about 8 minutes to get to the debris field after seeing the accident occur.
I'm using the time of 00:31:47 as the time that Sven Faret and his passenger saw FLT800 explode That time is verified by radio reports from other commercial aircraft crews who were in the area at the time of the accident.
Sven's altitude was shown as 8100 feet on the MegaData radar plot at 00:31:12. Sven said he was at 8500 feet when he saw FLT800 explode. The answer for the difference in altitude is that Sven saw the explosion at 00:31:47 so his aircraft had another 35 seconds to climb to 8500 feet before Sven saw the explosion.
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Did Faret and Wendell actually make it over to the cloud ? Faret seems to be hedging a bit in his answer to Hirsch. Also, Faret and Wendell have the direction of the cloud moving against the winds, how is this possible ? What time did Faret and Wendell get to the cloud ? Hirsch estimates about 8:40PM. If Faret and Wendell got over to the cloud 9 minutes after the massive fireball formed and fell to the ocean, why is there still even a cloud left at any altitude if the winds were at least 15 mph? Have you ever seen a firework explosion cloud stay together for 9 minutes and not dissipate or lose altitude (smoke is heavier than air as it cools).
These questions and possible inaccuracies ( if they got the wind direction of the cloud wrong - how can you believe anything else they say) cast doubt on Faret & Wendell's witness statement, thereby also casting "doubt" in the accuracy of your Witness Myth BS...
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We proceeded to fly over to the smoke cloud. As we crossed over the shore line I looked down and saw 3 boats enroute to the fire, about 25% of the way. I estimated the flames to be 6-7 miles off shore. We watched intently seeing a flashing light at the SE edge of the flames, but it soon stopped. We observed a steady blinking light drifting SW away from the scene. Ken said it appeared to be a helicopter just west of the flames. Sven thought it could have been a marker beacon on a life raft. This was about 5+ minutes after the explosion. We approached the black-gray smoke cloud on the west side. We were at 7700 feet and were at the top edge of the cloud. The cloud center was at 7500 feet. There were 2 small bumps atop it. There was no smoke or smoke trails above it. It was still lit up a little by the sun, clear above. There was a tornado like tail leaving the bottom of it leading down to the flames. It had a small arc in it as the winds gently moved the cloud NNW. [end excerpt][end quote] Source.
Here's Ian Goddard, King of The Hill of the tinfoil hat wannabe witness report analysts at the time, reporting on it to the LSoft Flight 800 Forum on 18 December 1996:
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by Ian Williams Goddard What happened on the night of July 17 when TWA 800 exploded in midair? Sven Faret, pilot of a private plane, along with passenger Ken Wendell, were both flying in the area and, with an eagle's-eye view, were on top of it all. Sven spoke on FOX News and CNN the night of the crash. So what did they see? According to Sven's written report [1], Sven and Ken were flying at 8,500 feet over Riverhead, LI, NY at about 8:40 pm, on July 17, 1996 when, accord- ing to the report, "Ken pointed out traffic at 3 o'clock low (actually 2:30). Sven saw a white light steady in the sky." That light, was TWA flight 800. Then the report states that a "short 'pin flash of light' appeared on the ground (perhaps water)." When I asked Sven if this flash rose upwards vertically from the surface, he confirmed that it did. He also told me it was "like a rocket launch at a fireworks display," and that its point of origin was "near the shoreline or in the water." "Very shortly" after they saw this "rocket launch" below TWA 800, their report states that: ...the white light [TWA 800] exploded instantaneously into a huge red-orange ball. My initial thoughts were "who's shooting fireworks tonight." The magni- tude of the fire ball, and altitude, quickly...ruled that out. Notice the harmony of Sven and Ken's observation with that of these ground-level eyewitness ac- counts, ABC World News Sunday (07/21/96): We saw what appeared to be a flare going straight up. As a matter of fact, we thought it was from a boat. It was a bright reddish-orange color. ...once it went into flames, I knew that wasn't a flare. The New York Daily News (11/09/96): It looked like a big skyrocket go- ing up, and it kept going up and up, and the next thing I knew there was an orange ball of fire. Roland Penney and his family, who were in a boat at the time, reported (Newsday, 9/1/96) that they saw "a pencil-thin white trail rising up...that hit that plane." Now back to Sven's report. Moments after TWA 800 exploded, Sven states in the report: I asked Ken "What was that!?... It's probably the National Guard boys losing a C130 or something... Maybe they shot down one of their own planes." It looked like the military shot-down the plane! When asked if the military conducts such activity in the area, Sven replied: "On a regular basis." That military activity is frequent in the area is also evident in the account given by S. Beach resi- dent John Bauman (The Independent, 07/24/96), who said "people continued fishing" after the blast thinking it was probably "the Westhampton Air Force Base doing some kind of testing offshore."
CONCLUSION With over 150 eyewitnesses who saw a "streak of light" and a "skyrocket" shoot up and hit TWA 800 initiating its annihilation, and with these wit- nesses on land, in the Great South Bay, out at sea and even up in the air, all giving virtually ident- ical accounts, to say that this is an overwhelming case for a missile hit is an major understatement. How many criminal cases can you recall with uniform testimony from over 150 witnesses? It's a prosecu- tor's wildest dream come true. But in the la-la-land of TWA 800, anyone who considers this testimony as proof of a missile strike is portrayed as a mentally unbalanced idiot by the GovtMedia and are, on the Internet, assaulted with vicious ad hominem attacks and threats of physical violence. How strange. For some, no amount of evidence will shatter their unfaltering faith in the FBI-NAVY-NTSB cover-up; and with all the physical evidence -- debris, radar and satellite records -- locked away, off-limits to public viewing, it's a cover-up by definition. And speaking of a cover-up, why are we not hearing all of pilot Sven Faret and Ken Wendell's eyewit- ness testimony in the media? It's painfully clear that the major media is now following the lead of the government in suppressing all evidence of a missile strike, hence the term "GovtMedia". In August 1997 it was finally pointed out to Goddard and his tinfoil hat followers that ALL the observations of unusual events in the sky by Faret & Wendell, up until then their Star "missile shootdown" witnesses, were BELOW their own flight altitude of 8500 feet. Since then, some the tinfoil hats have been engaged in non-stop efforts to discredit Faret & Wendell, as you have now again dramatized. Lawyers would refer to it as attempting to impeach your own witnesses.
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