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To: acehai
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAR0003.pdf
1.7 Meteorological Information
The surface weather observation taken about 1951 at JFK on July 17, 1996, located 52 nautical miles (nm) west of the accident site, stated the following: Winds 220° at 8 knots; visibility 10 miles; clouds at 6,000 feet scattered, ceiling 7,000 feet broken, 9,000 feet broken; temperature 82° F; dew point 70° F; altimeter setting 30.07 inches of Hg [mercury]; wind shift 1906; rain began 1918 and ended 1929; precipitation 0.00 inch between 1927 and 1951.

The surface weather observation taken about 2051 at JFK stated the following: Winds 240° at 9 knots; visibility 10 miles; few clouds at 10,000 feet; temperature 80° F; dew point 69° F; altimeter setting 30.08 inches of Hg.

The surface weather observation taken about 1945 at Francis S. Gabreski Airport (FOK) Westhampton Beach, New York, located 12 nm north of the accident site (the nearest reporting station to the accident site), stated the following: Winds 240° at 4 knots; visibility 4 miles; haze; clouds at 6,000 feet scattered; temperature 73° F; dew point 66° F; altimeter setting 30.08 inches of Hg; total sky cover 3/8.

The surface weather observation taken about 2045 at FOK stated the following: Winds calm; visibility 6 miles; haze; clouds at 6,000 feet scattered; temperature 72° F; dew point 66° F; altimeter setting 30.09 inches of Hg; total sky cover 3/8. The winds aloft measured by a weather balloon launched from Upton, New York, on July 17, 1996, about 2000, are shown in table 3. (Upton is located about 15 nm from the accident site.)

Table 3. Winds aloft measured by a weather balloon launched from Upton, New York.
Altitude (feet msl)
Wind Direction (degrees) Wind Speed (knots)
1,000 270 12
2,000 280 14
3,000 285 17
4,000 290 17
5,000 303 19
6,000 310 19
7,000 315 17
8,000 320 16
9,000 330 12
10,000 335 12
11,000 320 12
12,000 295 16
13,000 290 16
14,000 300 17
15,000 303 19
16,000 305 21
17,000 315 29
18,000 315 33

These numbers were used during the Safety Board™s trajectory study. 105 Review of the meteorological data revealed no record of significant meteorological conditions in the area or at the time of the accident.

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I'm unqualified by training and experience to provide the readers with an expert opinion on that subject, much less about the winds aloft between 8500 feet and the surface from appropximately 8:31:47 when Faret & Wendell saw the Massive Fireball Fireball explosion and started flying straight to it until they arrived at the smoke cloud and trail it left, so please provide us all with an expert opinion explaining specifically how the above readings taken by a weather balloon at an unspecifified time between 8500 feet and the surface supposedly is irrefutable evidence supporting the allegations of some of the "shootdown" tinfoil hats including you that the MF smoke cloud and trail to the surface Faret & Wendell were flying straight to blew away and were replaced by a second smoke cloud and trail rising from the surface fires while they were doing so.

Expert - "A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain subject".

In the interim, the readers may also find the following additional information about the weather balloons interesting.

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/okx/upperair.htm

To the NOAA homepage National Weather Service - Upton, NY To the NWS homepage
WFO OKX is located on the campus of the Brookhaven National Laboratory

Upper-air Observations Program


Weather Forecast Office, Upton, NY (WFO OKX) is one of the select weather stations in the US that is part of the National Weather Service Upper-air Observations Program. There are only 92 Radiosonde stations in North America and the Pacific islands. Radiosondes provide upper-air data that are essential for weather forecasts and research. A new radiosonde ground system will replace the old system currently in use by September, 2005.


Weather Balloons

Photo of Launch Area Photo of Weather Balloon Inflation Photo of Weather Balloon Just about Inflated
Photo of Weather Balloon Ready to Go Photo of Launch! Photo of Receiver


Weather balloons are launched from the upper air building which is located in a valley adjacent to the forecast office (pictured, top row left). They are filled with helium inside of the small building (pictured, top row center and right), then taken outside to launch (pictured, bottom row center). The helium, which is a very light gas, allows the balloon to reach heights of 60,000 feet above the earth's surface in about an hour. As the balloon rises, the atmosphere thins and the pressure outside the balloon decreases allowing the balloon to expand and eventually break. This usually happens within two hours of the launch at elevations of 80,000 to 120,000 feet.

An instrument, called a radiosonde, is tethered to the balloon (pictured, bottom row center). As the balloon rises through the air, the radiosonde measures temperature, relative humidity, and pressure. A transmitter within the radiosonde transmits this data back to a receiver located in the shelter (pictured, bottom row right). The receiver tracks the azimuth and range of the balloon as it ascends. From this information, the wind speed at various levels in the atmosphere can be calculated.

After the balloon flight is complete, a technician ensures the data is accurate before it is disseminated. Additional quality control checks are done at one of our national centers before the data is incorporated into computer models which meteorologists use to make their forecasts.

The balloons are launched from hundreds of locations around the world twice a day every day of the year. The launches occur simultaneously worldwide! This gives meteorologists a snapshot of the earth's three-dimensional atmospheric conditions.



Check out our most recent Upper Air Sounding Plot
from the 0000Z or 1200Z (8:00 p.m. or 8:00 a.m. EDT) Weather Balloon launch.


But what happens to the radiosonde when the balloon breaks? The radiosonde is protected by a styrofoam container, which cushions the radiosonde upon impact with the ground. However, a small parachute will also pop out as the radiosonde falls, slowing its descent.

Are the radiosondes returned? Frequently, the radiosondes are discovered in a pasture, grove of trees, creek, peoples' backyards and other locations. A self-addressed postage-paid envelope, which is in a compartment of the radiosonde container, can be used to return the radiosonde to a reconditioning center for repair, and eventual reuse. Most of the radiosondes launched from this office follow the prevailing wind and wind up dropping into the North Atlantic Ocean, never to be recovered.

63 posted on 06/08/2002 11:16:42 AM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Your answer to the second question, now, if you're not afraid to...It has a direct relationship to how I answer your questions. And trust me, old thing, they will be answered.

You didn't answer the question, Elmer...And it dosn't take an ex-spurt analyst to read a current winds aloft chart.

...please provide us all with an expert opinion explaining specifically how the above readings taken by a weather balloon at an unspecifified time (sic)

From Ferat...(Your posting)

Situation:
Pilot: Sven Faret
Passenger : Ken Wendell
8500 feet over Riverhead LI, NY.
Apx 20:40 hrs, July 17, 1996...

The surface weather observation taken about 1951 at JFK on July 17, 1996,

The surface weather observation taken about 2051

The surface weather observation taken about 1945 at Francis S. Gabreski Airport (FOK) Westhampton Beach, New York The surface weather observation taken about 2045 at FOK stated the following: Winds calm; visibility 6 miles; haze; clouds at 6,000 feet scattered; temperature 72° F; dew point 66° F; altimeter setting 30.09 inches of Hg; total sky cover 3/8.

The winds aloft measured by a weather balloon launched from Upton, New York, on July 17, 1996, about 2000, are shown in table 3. (Upton is located about 15 nm from the accident site.)

SEE THAT, ELMER??? 2000 ... Not unspecifified at all, but 2000...Eight O'clock, Elmer

These numbers were used during the Safety Board™s trajectory study.

If they were good enough, specific enough, accurate enough to be used in the trajectory study and published in the NTSB's Final Report...

If they were good enough, specific enough, accurate enough to be used by pilots in flight planning in which accurate times enroute, fuel burn, fuel remaining and fuel reserves are critical to safety of flight, then they are specific enough to determine what direction the winds were blowing from that night to put to rest the fallacy that Ferat and Wendell saw a cloud of smoke being blown in the opposite direction of the prevailing winds. The winds aloft were from:

Altitude ... Wind Direction ... Wind Speed

(Feet) .... (in degrees From) ..... (Knots) 1000 ................. 270 ...................... 12 Due West, blowing Due East

2000 ................. 280 ...................... 14 Slightly North of West, blowing slightly South of East.

3000 ................. 285 ...................... 17 Trend continuing around, blowing more to the Southeast

4000 ................. 290 ...................... 17 Blowing even closer to the Southeast.

5000 ................. 303 ...................... 19 Ditto...Only stronger.

6000 ................. 310 ...................... 19 5 degree change to the Southeast

7000 ................. 315 ...................... 17 Dead out of the Northwest, blowing Due Southeast.

8000 ................. 320 ...................... 16 Continuing the Northerly trend, blowing Southerly

9000 ................. 330 ...................... 12 Same as above.

10000 ................ 335 ..................... 12 ...and so on

11000 ................ 320 ..................... 12

12000 ................ 295...................... 16

13000 ................ 290 ..................... 16

14000 ................ 300 ..................... 17

Review of the meteorological data revealed no record of significant meteorological conditions in the area or at the time of the accident.

Significant meteorological conditions are conditions that could affect the winds aloft, such as frontal passage, or convective activity. There was no front to pass, and no convective activity (thunderstorms) forecast, or reported.

D'ye see the error you made, Elmer?

From Ferat...A: I suggest that the winds below the haze were moving the plume in a SE direction. What were the winds reported at 6,9,12000' Feet? Nothing is straight forward or simple...

Sounds pretty straight forward and simple to me, Elmer...

From Ferat...... as the winds gently moved the cloud NNW

Thats NORTH-NORTHWEST, Elmer...The exact opposite direction the measured at 2000 prevailing winds aloft were blowing. A physical impossibility, Elmer...Ferat was IN ERROR.

You are in error when you say the winds aloft are unspecifified (in more ways than one, apparently...;^) as an excuse to avoid having to admit that Ferat was in error.

And if you made this simple error, as Ferat did, then intellectually honest Freepers must begin to wonder how many more errors you both have, and continue to make, and the agenda involved in defending these errors so vociforously.

65 posted on 06/09/2002 3:41:20 PM PDT by acehai
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