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"Now that we are in agreement that the weather balloon was reportedly launched at ABOUT 2000, how do you expect to determine the specific time and direction of the winds aloft from 8500 feet down to whatever altitude the surface wind reports go up to? "
The NTSB Table 3 on page 57 is a very accurate representation of the winds aloft from 14000 ft down to 1000 ft. (These are actual physical measurements, we don't need to determine, estimate, or guess anything else. What is in this table is what the winds aloft were before, during and after the TWA800 event).
Elmer ... It is eminently apparant that you are sadly ignorant when it comes to meteorology. Radiosondes are launched twice daily at 00Z and 12Z. The data they collect is used as a valid representation of the wind speed, wind direction, temperature, dew point and pressure.
The wind speed and direction measurements taken by the radiosonde at various altitudes for 00Z July 18, 1996 are valid to be used as an accurate representation of the upper atmosphere in that location from that time period until the next radiosonde launch.
Since the TWA800 incident occurred so close to the time of the balloon sounding, the data is an actual representation of the wind speeds and directions at all levels of the atmosphere.
But we can go one step farther:
We know exactly when readings were taken each minute from the radiosonde and the exact location of the radiosonde for each minute as well.
The NTSB Docket CD 8/10/2000 - Exhibit 2L Radiosonde Wind Information, contains the minute by minute readings from the Brookhaven (Upton, NY) 00Z July 18, 1996 radiosonde.
The actual launch time of the Upton NY (OKX) radiosonde balloon was at 7:17 PM EDT July 17,1996.
Since the NTSB has not put the complete docket on-line, I give you
Since Jack is a Certified Consulting Meteorologist, certified by the American Meteorological Society, I do not hesitate to submit him to the readers as an "EXPERT" on interpriting and disseminating weather data.
Jack includes the minute by minute radiosonde data and he plots the location of the balloon through its flight. He also labels the location of the TWA800 incident.
To make a long story short... This measured upper air data IS what the wind directions and wind speeds were just before, during and after the TWA800 event took place.
And this data proves that any cloud seen by Faret and Wendell should have been moving SE. NOT the NNW they reported.
Now you can return to picking fly-$quat out of black pepper, Elmer...I'm sure you find it tasty...Have a great day ;^)
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#63 I'm unqualified by training and experience to provide the readers with an expert opinion on that subject, much less about the winds aloft between 8500 feet and the surface from appropximately 8:31:47 when Faret & Wendell saw the Massive Fireball Fireball explosion and started flying straight to it until they arrived at the smoke cloud and trail it left, so please provide us all with an expert opinion explaining specifically how the above readings taken by a weather balloon at an unspecifified time between 8500 feet and the surface supposedly is irrefutable evidence supporting the allegations of some of the "shootdown" tinfoil hats including you that the MF smoke cloud and trail to the surface Faret & Wendell were flying straight to blew away and were replaced by a second smoke cloud and trail rising from the surface fires while they were doing so.
Do you know what an expert opinion is? It's a FORMAL REPORT from a bonafide expert on the subject. In this instance, that would be a bonafide meteorology expert who is also a bonafide expert witness report analyst because your objective is to discredit witnesses Faret & Wendell by attempting to use their personally prepared report and Hirsch's Q&A recording/transcript to do so.
In the interim, the readers are still waiting for your answers to the following two questions you have been repeatedly asked and assured the readers you would promptly answer but never have:
Can you explain how witness Fred Meyer could have seen a "shootdown" of Flight 800 at 13,800 feet at 8:31:12 only 3-4 seconds before he saw the Massive Fireball explode at 5500-7500 feet at about 8:31:47 which he says he and his crewmates agreed at the time took approximately 10 seconds to fall to the surface?
If he's so unflappable and KNOWS that he saw a missile shoot down TWA 800, how do you explain his following statement while being interviewed by an NTSB Witness Group?
I saw a streak of light in the sky. I have no idea what it was. And my reaction when I saw it was, what the hell is that?