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Looks like the FBI isn't going down alone...
1 posted on 06/02/2002 3:26:52 AM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: Brian Mosely
“They were like Dumb and Dumber.”

The CIA & the FIB, that is.

2 posted on 06/02/2002 3:39:47 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Brian Mosely;Fred Mertz;Okc Submariner;Joe Montana;rdavis84
BUMP!!!!!
3 posted on 06/02/2002 3:46:21 AM PDT by Donald Stone
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To: Brian Mosely
Notice the dates: December 1999, January 2000, September 2000, October 2000. As we all know, this did not start on September 11, 2001.

They were aware of all this suspicious activity. What did they think would be the result - just a few years of social visiting in the US then return home?

5 posted on 06/02/2002 4:28:41 AM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: Brian Mosely

6 posted on 06/02/2002 4:34:07 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: Brian Mosely, rintense, Miss Marple, MJY1288
Last night on our local news a story ran in which Bill Clinton AND Louis Freeh were portrayed as wanting more money and more focus on anti-terrorism for both the FBI and the CIA during those eight years from hell.

The story said that these funds and focus were prevented from being delivered to the FBI / CIA BY CONGRESS - which, of course, was controlled by Republicans since 1994.

THIS IS THE SPIN NOW.

The same story showed John Ashcroft and claimed that when he took office (finally - what month was that?) - he decided to shift the focus of the FBI away from anti-terrorism and to anti-crime efforts.

Then it showed a clip of him on LKL this week saying that he had now changed his mind (guffaw) and that the agency must focus on fighting terrorism as a top priority - by changing the way it operates (meaning the new rules that were implemented and the reorganization).

JUst passing on the latest spin.

Of course nothing was said about the fact that the Clinton "focus" on anti-terrorism had nothing to do with stopping terrorist attacks on America and everything to do with controlling the activities of people it wanted to control...especially political "enemies."

7 posted on 06/02/2002 4:37:58 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Brian Mosely
This article should have been entitled "The FBI Strikes Back". Up till now the CIA has been off the hook, while the FBI has been pummeled. Now the CIA is getting some too. This is just another case of the bureaucrats working for themselves and not for the American People.

One question: When is George W Bush going to clean out the Clintonistas in his government? There going to bring him down.

17 posted on 06/02/2002 5:49:21 AM PDT by Kermit
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To: Brian Mosely
The CIA and the FBI are worthless (when we need them the most). Part of the trouble is that the Bush administration hasn't gotten rid of the incompetent (or worse) holdovers from the previous one. The Bush adminitration is too busy solving other (easier) "problems" to face the big ones.
19 posted on 06/02/2002 6:03:37 AM PDT by SiliconValleyGuy
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To: Brian Mosely
Are we suffering collective amnesia? Didn't KLINTOON support the UBL faction of Islamic Muslims in the Bosnian War as well?
20 posted on 06/02/2002 8:00:08 AM PDT by jrlc
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To: Brian Mosely
The condo where the meeting took place was a weekend getaway owned by Yazid Sufaat, a U.S.-educated microbiologist who had become a radical Islamist and bin Laden follower.

I'm surprised no one else noted this. The anthrax attacks were organized by Al Qaeda and carried out by other "Dumb and Dumbers" here in the USA. Those DnD's overestimated the effectiveness of the mailings, hence the "you die now" boasting.

21 posted on 06/02/2002 8:07:35 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: Brian Mosely
Monday morning quarterbacking - for sure. I bet you I can tell you the final score of yesterday's Yankee/Boston game.
25 posted on 06/02/2002 9:29:13 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: Brian Mosely;All;Jim Robinson
Maybe it is time to let Michael Rivero post again. He might be able to fill us in on what really went down.

Maybe we should also consider the possibility that the hijacked aircraft were flown into the buildings by remote control.

IMO, public disclosure of Government mistakes are not made without an agenda.

29 posted on 06/02/2002 10:54:39 AM PDT by eazdzit
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To: Brian Mosely
When the FBI ended up on the hot plate and FBI Director Mueller announced the major changes to this organization (and these changes largely came about because a couple of mid-level agents went to the media with the truth), I wondered how long it would be before the CIA entered the scene with descriptions of their own bungling. Bush needs to clean house; he needs to fire (or at least move into non-jobs) every government employee who was promoted to executive-level rank during the last 4 - 5 years of the Clinton regime. In my opinion the only people who would have been promoted to senior grade during that era were people who sang the Clinton "Horst Wessel" and openly supported Clinton's corrupt policies.
33 posted on 06/02/2002 3:23:23 PM PDT by waxhaw
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To: Brian Mosely
Bumping for a later read.Thanks.
38 posted on 06/02/2002 9:30:29 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Brian Mosely
From Laurie Mylroie's 1995 article, THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMB: Who is Ramzi Yousef? And Why It Matters:
The details of the World Trade Center case are chilling. From the outset, the Justice Department refused to share key information with the national security agencies. The government had two sets of relevant information--foreign intelligence, gathered by the CIA from watching terrorist states such as Iran and Iraq, and evidence gathered by the FBI largely within the United Stares for use in the trial. The FBI flatly told the national security bureaucracies that there was "no evidence" of state sponsorship in the World Trade Center bombing. When the national security agencies asked to see the evidence themselves, the FBI replied, "No, this is a criminal matter. We're handling it." Thus, all that the national security agencies had available to decide the question of state sponsorship was foreign intelligence they themselves had collected.

But many cases of stare-sponsored terrorism cannot be cracked by means of intelligence alone. The crucial element linking the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 to Libya, for example, was not intelligence but a piece of physical evidence--a microchip, part of the bomb's timing device, that could be tied to other bombs built by Libyan agents.

After the World Trade Center bombing, the FBI was the only bureaucracy with both the intelligence and the evidence. Even if the FBI did make a serious effort to examine the evidence for state sponsorship--and it is not clear that it did--the Bureau alone is not competent to carry out such an investigation. "They're head hunters", one official in Pentagon Counterterrorism remarked--that is, they are oriented to the arrest of individuals. A State Department expert described the FBI's new Office of Radical Fundamentalism as "a joke", bereft of any genuine Middle East expertise.

But the more fundamental problem is that the Justice Department in Washington seems not to have been interested in pursuing the question of state sponsorship. In fact, the New York FBI office suspected an Iraqi connection early on, but the Washington brass seemingly wanted to tell America that they had already cracked the case and caught most of the perpetrators. It is always easier to go after the small fry than to catch the big fish, and law enforcement is ever vulnerable to the temptation to cut off a conspiracy investigation at the most convenient point.

Thus, five weeks after the World Trade Center bombing, four Arabs were under arrest. The mastermind, Ramzi Yousef, had fled. Still, at that point in early April 1993, the FBI proclaimed that it had captured most of those involved. The bombing, it claimed, was the work of a loose group of fundamentalists with no ties to any state. The predictable media frenzy followed and, perhaps as a result, some obvious questions were not asked. How could the government know so early in the investigation that those it had arrested had no ties to any state? If the government knew so much so soon, then why did one of those arrested never stand trial for the bombing, and why were three others indicted much later? In short, the Justice Department determined that the bombing had no state sponsorship even before it decided definitively who had been involved.

Moreover, by April it was impossible to have conducted a sufficiently thorough investigation. Such an investigation required, at a minimum, a meticulous examination of all records associated with the defendants to insure that they had had no contact with foreign intelligence agencies--or at least that none could be found. That process simply could not have been accomplished in five weeks. And it must be kept in mind that, at the time, the mastermind of the bomb was a fugitive about whom almost nothing was known. How could anyone therefore declare confidently that he was not a foreign agent, especially in light of the fact that he had entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi"?

Ironically, this sort of problem would not have arisen had the bombing occurred abroad. In such cases there are usually two separate investigations by two different bureaucracies, one to determine state sponsorship, the other to catch the individuals responsible. After the bombing of Pan Am 103, for example, the CLA led an inter-agency intelligence investigation addressing the question of state sponsorship. There was also a separate criminal investigation, headed by the FBI, aimed at individual perpetrators.

But there was no intelligence investigation of the World Trade Center bombing. The CIA is, after all, prohibited from operating in America. Of course, a crack inter-agency team could have been established to examine the question of state sponsorship. But Clinton administration officials set up no such team.

In September 1995, the State Department forwarded to Congress the report of an independent panel, established to examine whether mistakes in security training had contributed to the March 8 assassination of two U.S. consular officials in Karachi--apparent retaliation for Ramzi Yousef's extradition. The report expressed concern about the FBI's lack of cooperation with the national security agencies. Clearly, discontent with the FBI is growing among those agencies as issues such as international crime--and with them the Bureau's international role--assume a mare prominent role in the post-Cold War world. Indeed, one State Department official described the FBI'S unwillingness to share information as "the train wreck coming"--meaning that given the FBI's lack of expertise in international politics, there may well come a time when the Bureau will be sitting on information that, in the hands of others, could have been used to avert a disaster. One may indeed ask whether the World Trade Center bombing itself is not a harbinger of the train wreck coming...


43 posted on 06/03/2002 1:58:27 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Brian Mosely
AT THE TIME, the men had no idea that they were being closely watched—

Why were they not BEING KILLED?

46 posted on 06/03/2002 5:24:17 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Brian Mosely
I hear this report and I'm in pain. An NBC new report said that when the CIA finally decided to let the FBI in on this info (3 weeks before 9-11) they are looking for these guy in hotel rooms and the like. One of them had his name in a public phone directory, but the investigative resources of the FBICIA could not discover this.
47 posted on 06/03/2002 5:36:40 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: Brian Mosely
BTTT
48 posted on 06/03/2002 7:25:31 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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