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To: JMJ333
There are only two condemned instances in the history of the crusades where the Christian crusaders acted unjustly--

Does this mean the rest were "uncondemned"? I have a feeling we must agree to disagree on this one. The histories I've read indicate that the Crusaders slaughtered hundreds of Jews.

The Spanish Inquisition, by Anne W. Carroll.

I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree on this as well. The article never mentions the expulsion of Jews from Spain and whitewashes the Inquisition's Chief torturer.

Basically to point out that the history of Christianity is a bloody one.

Yes, it is bloody, but most of it was unprovoked. The Christian nations in Europe never once were the aggressors. Not once.

I guess this depends on your definition of "aggressor".

For example (and I'll never understand this one), in Ireland you have two groups of Christians murdering each other with regularity. Explain the Christian attitudes behind that one.

Easy. Anyone can claim to be anything--that doesn't make it so. Those who use violence in Ireland know about God as much as those in other places who use violence.

That is too simple an answer. With this in mind one can excuse every violent action taken in the name of faith as illegitimate. Islam is easier so I'll use that as an example. Out of the 20 conflicts currently going on in the world, 18 involve Islam. Yet, we are told that those who are engaging in the conflicts and committing atrocities are not acting "in the spirit of Islam". Sorry, it doesn't wash.

There has to be some other explanation as to why people use their faith as an excuse to murder those who are not of their faith.

Regardless, Communism has devestated the Christian community. Just look at what Pol Pot did. We did nothing to incur his wrath. Nothing at all except stand up for what we believe.

I don't know that "Communism" devestated Jewish communities since the pogroms carried out in places like Russia and Poland were frequently "endorsed" by priests. Be that as it may, communism was against any religion...some more than others.

117 posted on 06/05/2002 5:57:40 AM PDT by BenF
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To: BenF
Does this mean the rest were "uncondemned"? I have a feeling we must agree to disagree on this one. The histories I've read indicate that the Crusaders slaughtered hundreds of Jews.

We have a right to defend ourselves against moslems just as much as the Jews do. You act like we were the enemy in the crusades. I find your attitude toward us disheartening.

As for whitewashing, you didn't read the article. It did mention the Jews, but you seem more concerned in your condemnation of us than seeing the truth. Out of 100,000 people put on trial it is a documented fact that 2,000 were put to death and it was for treason, not for being religious reasons. I thought the article was very balanced. Mrs. Carroll is an honest Catholic.

I'm through debating you because I am not going to continue to defend myself against ludicrous uniformed accusations.

124 posted on 06/05/2002 6:56:34 AM PDT by JMJ333
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