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Machete-Wielding Team Discover Inca Fastness Lost For Four Centuries
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-6-2002 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 06/05/2002 5:26:53 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 06/05/2002 5:26:54 PM PDT by blam
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The Spanish went there in search of gold, plundering the region and waging war against the Inca. Their leader, Manco Inca, led a rebellion in 1536 that nearly overthrew the Spanish before he and his followers fled to Vilcabamba.

Score: Spanish, 1; Incas, 0.

2 posted on 06/05/2002 5:45:41 PM PDT by IronJack
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Score: Spanish, 1; Incas, 0.

Well, it's worse than that. Essentially everyone I've known from South or Central America has a Spanish surname...

All the Proud Aztecas, Incas and other Indiginous Peoples are named Arovola, Consteneda, Gonzalez, Gonsolvez, Reyes, Rodriguez, and on and on...

3 posted on 06/05/2002 5:58:18 PM PDT by thatsnotnice
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Awwwwww. Such a shame those nasty Spaniards conquered such a loving, caring people. Now we'll never know their secrets for tearing the beating hearts out of their sacrificial victims. And we'll never have a calendar accurate to within ... oh, wait. Yes we will. ...

But the Incas had some nice pottery ... And their ruins make great tourist attractions.

4 posted on 06/05/2002 6:20:37 PM PDT by IronJack
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Such a shame those nasty Spaniards conquered such a loving, caring people.

I think if you talked to the Moche they might have a few choice words about the sweet kind Inca. Of course, the Moche were not the kind of people you would want for neighbors either.

Still a new city is neat. It has probably been stripped already but you never know what you might find.

a.cricket

5 posted on 06/05/2002 6:38:25 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: IronJack
Now we'll never know their secrets for tearing the beating hearts out of their sacrificial victims.

Actually, I saw a video in a Native American (?) Art class once that included clips of Aztec ceremonies. I don't know how they re-created them since they condemned the Spanish (and the Catholic Church) for destroying all written records... They were pretty graphic with the genital piercing, slicing, bloodletting, sacrifices, etc.

It just strikes me as funny when someone named Gonzalez is the big MEChA de Tejaztlan man, or Santos is the ¡INMORTAL RAZA INCA! cheerleader…

See something new every day, I suppose...

6 posted on 06/05/2002 6:45:06 PM PDT by thatsnotnice
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To: IronJack
Now we'll never know their secrets for tearing the beating hearts out of their sacrificial victims.

That was the Aztecs, not the Incas. The Incas were peaceful and civilized.

7 posted on 06/05/2002 6:54:20 PM PDT by altair
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To: thatsnotnice
I don't know how they re-created them since they condemned the Spanish (and the Catholic Church) for destroying all written records...

If not for one particular surviving scrap, they barely would have been able to trace the origins of the term "Inca".

Once upon a time
they sang the vodee-o do.
But that was long ago.
Then they started in
to boop boop adoop.
They got tired of that, you know.
But the tune for you and me
is that swingin’ symphony --
Ink a dink a dink a dinkadink a dinkadoo …

8 posted on 06/05/2002 7:01:33 PM PDT by Willie Green
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Aztecs, Mayans, Toltecs, Olmecs, Incas ... They shared a common appreciation for the restorative properties of human flesh and blood.

Since they weren't European, they had to be pure and unsullied, the very essence of the Noble Primitive. They were Eloi, rent asunder by the horrible European Morlocks.

Of course, the record shows a disturbingly different reality, but today's PC revisionists will "correct" it, ne'er you fret.

These people were savages, period. And their "civlizations" were exterminated or absorbed, in a never-ending Circle of Life.

9 posted on 06/05/2002 7:30:32 PM PDT by IronJack
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These people were savages, period.

I wonder how many million
civilized Americans will be
eating their God this Sunday?

10 posted on 06/05/2002 7:36:43 PM PDT by gcruse
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Symbolically? Millions. With fava beans and a nice Chianti? Probably only Hannibal Lecter.

How many will be tearing the hearts from their victims so that their blood runs down the gutters in rivers? How many will be burning virgins alive so that the Sun God will make the maize grow tall? How many will be making whoopee cushions from slave bladders, or garden hoses from the descending colons of their prisoners?

Bzzzzzzzt! Moral equivalency argument overruled.

11 posted on 06/05/2002 7:45:55 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
Such deliberate, intentional ignorance is really quite discomfiting. I feel very sorry for you.
12 posted on 06/05/2002 7:46:45 PM PDT by edger
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Such deliberate, intentional ignorance is really quite discomfiting.

Aw, it's probably just gas. Lie down till the feeling passes.

I feel very sorry for you.

Save your pity for the victims. Unless your compassion moves you to send me money ...

13 posted on 06/05/2002 7:53:58 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
Symbolically?

No, no.  Transubstantiation says it is
real flesh and real blood.  Ask any
Catholic. (As if symbolically
weren't amply revolting.)

14 posted on 06/05/2002 7:56:23 PM PDT by gcruse
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You'll have to take the transubstantiation argument up with the Nicean Council. I'm not Catholic and it always tasted like Welch's Grape Juice and gooey bread to me.

The Eucharist celebrates the Resurrection, the body of Christ broken on the cross as redemption for the sins of Man. What exactly did the blood of thousands celebrate in Machu Pichu? And in any case, the Christians didn't slaughter Christ so they could eat his flesh and drink his blood. The Romans took care of the slaughter, and the Christians recall Christ's sacrifice by continuing to partake of its redemptive power. They don't kill a new victim every week to keep the parish wine bill down.

Not much comparison there, I'm afraid.

15 posted on 06/05/2002 8:04:13 PM PDT by IronJack
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Not much comparison there, I'm afraid.

Theophage vs cannibalism.  Who are
you to throw stones?

16 posted on 06/05/2002 8:08:43 PM PDT by gcruse
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Theophage vs cannibalism.

Go to any Catholic mass. Observe carefully when the priest raises the Eucharist. Note that you do NOT see thousands of torn bodies. Even if you choose to believe in transubstantiation, the body being consumed was given willingly, and for the sake of redemption.

Contrast this with the savages who captured prisoners then led them to the top of their pyramids where their chests were hacked open with obsidian hatchets and their blood drained into scuppers. The resultant lakes of human gore were a propitiation to the Sun God.

In Christianity, God sacrificed Himself to redeem Man's sins. In these murderous cults, Man sacrifices himself to appease God.

Now is that difference really so hard to understand? Any resemblance is purely superficial. And there is no body to dispose of when Mass is over.

Who am I to throw stones? There are no Olmecs around today to throw them at ME.

17 posted on 06/06/2002 4:57:28 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Willie Green
Jimmy Durante bump!
18 posted on 06/06/2002 5:01:45 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan
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To: IronJack
Awwwwww. Such a shame those nasty Spaniards conquered such a loving, caring people. Now we'll never know their secrets for tearing the beating hearts out of their sacrificial victims. And we'll never have a calendar accurate to within ... oh, wait. Yes we will. ...
But the Incas had some nice pottery ... And their ruins make great tourist attractions.
4 posted on 6/5/02 6:20 PM Pacific by IronJack

I SMELL REPERATIONS!

19 posted on 06/06/2002 5:51:23 AM PDT by Area51
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To: gcruse
Theophage vs cannibalism.

I suppose the main difference would be that the village maiden actually is butchered. No-one dies at Mass.

I realize these distinctions are all so very subtle.

20 posted on 06/06/2002 6:12:00 AM PDT by Taliesan
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