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Governor's costly boot camp for teens: $12 million, 10 graduates
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 06/07/2002 | Kelly St. John

Posted on 06/07/2002 7:13:46 AM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

If Gov. Gray Davis wants to save an easy $3 million in his budget, some say he need look no further than the empty new classrooms, vacant dorms and bloated payroll of the Turning Point Academy in San Luis Obispo.


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1 posted on 06/07/2002 7:13:47 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
I find the whole concept of associating prison for young criminals, with military training reserved for America's finest, repulsive.

It is a subtle way for leftists to show disrespect for our fine military personnel, traditions, and institutions.

Is anyone else offended by this?

I say, do away with parole, let them serve every second of their sentences, and make the sentences really fit the crime.

Don't smear armed forces recruit training, which is a really noble thing to do for your country, with reform school for t\rd delinquents.

Don't call prison "boot camp".

2 posted on 06/07/2002 7:20:55 AM PDT by caddie
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To: caddie
Is anyone else offended by this?

No, not really. I served in the Marine Corps. Boot camp isn't fun for anyone (okay, maybe for a few sadistic drill instructors!). I don't have a problem putting borderline kids through programs that can instill discipline and teamwork and hopefully keep them out of prison. I do have a problem when it costs taxpayers $500,000 per kid!

3 posted on 06/07/2002 7:32:04 AM PDT by Coop
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To: Pokey78;elkgrovedan;ernest_at_the_beach
Time to look at the contracts awarded to build, staff & service the facility and campaign contributions to Davis.
4 posted on 06/07/2002 7:32:18 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Pokey78
clearly taxpayer dollars in kalifornia could be better spent on more important issues, like sex change operations for city employees in san fransisco, as approved by the city council last year.
5 posted on 06/07/2002 7:34:42 AM PDT by tm61
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To: caddie
Don't smear armed forces recruit training, which is a really noble thing to do for your country, with reform school for t\rd delinquents.

Don't call prison "boot camp".

Good point, I think this sort of program has a subtle way of teaching distain for our armed services.
Participating in the service of our country is a PRIVALGE not a punishment.

6 posted on 06/07/2002 7:46:10 AM PDT by THEUPMAN
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To: Pokey78
Just two of 10 graduates have gotten in any trouble since leaving the program, committing minor drug violations, he said.

That's ONE-FIFTH. In just how many months since graduation? This program is a failure.

7 posted on 06/07/2002 9:02:41 AM PDT by LibertyGirl77
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To: Coop
I don't have a problem putting borderline kids through programs that can instill discipline and teamwork and hopefully keep them out of prison

Unfortunately, these programs don't do that. They instill displine to listen to the gangleader, teamwork to work with the gang, and the self-confidence to try anything they want.

It's kinda like DARE, which does little to curb drug use, and instead becomes a drug show-and-tell and how-to class.

8 posted on 06/07/2002 9:41:52 AM PDT by jae471
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They instill displine to listen to the gangleader, teamwork to work with the gang, and the self-confidence to try anything they want.

LOL! You'll excuse me if I disagree?

9 posted on 06/07/2002 9:45:25 AM PDT by Coop
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To: Coop; JAE471; Liberty Girl
It is unfortunately true that these experiences which are intended to help young jerks see the light, often have the effect of making stupid young criminals into more savvy professional criminals.

Whenever government and government-paid program people get together with a large budget, the principle of the "Unintended Consequence" is sure to come into play. Cops see this every day with newly strong criminals, who are back in action after a short stretch in the slammer. The recidivists are bulked up from regular meals, intensive body building, and of course their drug and alcohol intake will have been somewhat curtailed. They become too strong for the cops to subdue.

Ditto anti-drug commercials, which have the unintended effect of glamorizing the forbidden.

10 posted on 06/07/2002 10:11:59 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Pokey78
It's california, what do you want?
11 posted on 06/07/2002 10:16:42 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Pokey78
It'd much easier and cheaper just to give the kiddies a mil apiece not to commit crimes. I'd be happy to volunteer for the pilot program...
12 posted on 06/07/2002 10:17:18 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Well, so would I -- but they tried it with Rodney King and it failed miserably :-(.

D

13 posted on 06/07/2002 10:29:47 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: Coop
Check out follow up studies. Not the ones you see on 20-20 three months after they get out and only follow the good kids, but the one-year studies. There's a much higher rate of recidivism than for those in other juvenile justice programs.

By the time the kids are sent to the boot camps, they've already been in and out of juvi hall several times, gaining more and more criminal knowledge each time. Also, most (50-60%) people arrested (wether juveniles or adults) are never arrested again, and the number of times arrested continue to half with each arrest, so by the third time someone is arrested, they are among the top 10-15% of all offenders.

14 posted on 06/07/2002 10:32:29 AM PDT by jae471
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To: Pokey78
``Standardized tests show the average graduate improved by three grade levels in six months.''

So, they went from an 'F' to a 'C' at the cost of half a million dollars?

I think this proves no matter how much money the government spends on public schools, they will fail. If they spent half a million dollars on every school child in the nation, say several trillion dollars, they would still fail.

15 posted on 06/07/2002 10:35:37 AM PDT by Liberal Classic
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To: Kenny Bunk
Ditto anti-drug commercials, which have the unintended effect of glamorizing the forbidden.

The anti-smoking commercials are even worse. The only decent anti-smoking commercial was put out by ydouthink.com. It said showed a teenage girl waxing her moustache, and said "Girls who smoke are 7 times more likely to have excessive facial hair." The target audience was narrower than most, but it was alot more effective IMO than the "rat poison" or "dog urine" commericals.

16 posted on 06/07/2002 10:36:58 AM PDT by jae471
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To: jae471
Did Davis think this up when the lights were out in LaLa land?
17 posted on 06/07/2002 11:20:21 AM PDT by bybybill
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Don't know. I saw it in Maryland.
18 posted on 06/07/2002 11:30:25 AM PDT by jae471
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