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1 posted on 06/12/2002 12:59:41 PM PDT by Sandy
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Though the NRA is undoubtedly the most effective gun rights lobbying organization we have, their support of Project Exile is a disgrace.
2 posted on 06/12/2002 1:08:01 PM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: Sandy
"I seen people killing people who ain't getting this much," Martinez said as he was led away. "I can't believe how much time you getting me for a gun."

So Sorry...Should have thought about this consequence before your committed your first felony...Once a violent or repeat criminal you don't get to smell gunpowder...Best punishment in the world...

The Law is the LAW...EXILE WORKS!!! But it works better if the difference between criminals and non-criminals is clear and enforced...Felony level crimes may not be a sufficient standard in non-violent offenses...I dont know the details,of Exile, or how the judges interpret them, but Violent people should lose their right to self defense...that's how it works....They carry guns to hurt others...unless we lock them up...end of rant

3 posted on 06/12/2002 1:09:06 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: Sandy
The commercial begins with the sound of wind whistling over a lonely prairie. The camera pans to cyclones of razor wire atop the high walls of a federal prison outside Yankton, South Dakota. It then cuts to an intake area inside the prison, where a newly arrived inmate is processed. Two guards walk him down a long hall to his awaiting cell. Other prisoners catcall and whistle at him.

Words flash on the screen: "Think carrying a 9mm makes you a man?"

There is a pause, and more whistling.

"Lots of people in federal prison find that attractive."

Greeeeeat. Prison rape as a punishment tool.

I am losing some of that gusto for Project Exile that I first had. The original concept was good but it sounds like -- as happens almost all the time -- it is being corrupted.

4 posted on 06/12/2002 1:10:35 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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See also:

There Goes the Neighborhood: The Bush-Ashcroft Plan to "Help" Localities Fight Gun Crime

The NRA Takes Aim at 10th Amendment

8 posted on 06/12/2002 1:23:02 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: Sandy
Project Exile achieves great results through very questionable means. First of all, these people belong behind bars. For a variety of reasons, most of which can be laid at the feet of liberal politicians, there aren't enough state prisons or state will to put and keep them there.

An excon possessing a gun is not in and of itself a moral wrong, and some of the people being charged did not so much possess a gun as they were found in the vicinity of a gun.

It is easier though to point out how the law should work than to examine the flaws in the convoluted system we have arrived at.

Punishment for crime should fit the crime. When a punishment is handed down, it should be carried out. When that punishment is finished, the punished should be given a clean bill and sent back into society as a free man. The only rememberance of his crime should be for the purpose of sentencing him if he is ever convicted of another crime.

9 posted on 06/12/2002 1:28:38 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Sandy
Created by the prominent Madison Avenue advertising firm of Young and Rubicam, the TV spot was seen last summer by tens of thousands of Denver television viewers watching the Jerry Springer Show and World Wrestling Federation events.

funny that this is when they show the "Target Market" adds also,yah,I watch a little WWF once and awhile.....anyway,are they profiling with their advertising?are they saying that in this "market" lies the risk of the most offenders?

12 posted on 06/12/2002 1:39:45 PM PDT by Minnesoootan
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To: Sandy
-- Federal prisons are filling up with people whose only crime is
gun possession

The problem is, the prisons are already
full of people whose only crime is the
cultivation, distribution, or use of
proscribed vegatation.  As soon as
we realize that gun grabbers and
drug warriors are equally destructive
of freedom, the better off we will be.
 

21 posted on 06/12/2002 2:27:35 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Sandy
I wonder if anyone has studied whether we'd have even lower crime rates if we repealed all the laws against ex-felons owning firearms. It disarms the most law abiding ex-felons, increasing the risk to them and their families, neighbors, and co-workers.

No stories here of ex-felons as unarmed victims - those remain untold, I guess.

23 posted on 06/12/2002 2:40:37 PM PDT by secretagent
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From the article: "When he was eighteen, Thompson was convicted of first-degree felony assault for firing a gun during a carjacking and served two years in state prison. On April 20, 1999 -- the same day as the Columbine shootings and one day before Strickland took office -- Thompson was pulled over for running a stop sign, and a .22-caliber pistol was found in his car. "

I think I see the problem: " ...firing a gun during a carjacking and served two years..."

If we stop treating people who threaten to kill others in order to take their property as if they were double-parking, we wouldn't have the crime problem that we do. Nothing will solve the problem of associating firearms-ownership with crime as long as such people are more likely to be found on the street than in prison.

If this jerk had been in prison where he belonged for his initial outrageous crime, anti-gunners would have a much harder time passing laws which result in prison for a woman posing nude with guns.

Despite the injustices outlined in the article, the greater injustice is to infringe my right to keep and bear arms. These sad tales will eventually help to identify the problem, but only if the laws are enforced. Selective enforcement just grants power to the government which it shouldn't have.

27 posted on 06/12/2002 3:11:32 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Sandy
"The message of this initiative is simple," Strickland declared the day he announced Exile. "If you violate federal gun laws, you will go to federal prison. The goal of this program is to change the culture of gun violence in America."

Under the Clintoon/Gore administration this could have included you.

It's funny how perceptions change in two years.

29 posted on 06/12/2002 3:30:59 PM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: Sandy
Cason Garcia has an IQ of 61, which places him in the bottom 1 percent of the population in terms of intellectual functioning.

And a proud member of the Democratic party.

32 posted on 06/12/2002 3:49:24 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Sandy
bump
33 posted on 06/12/2002 3:57:50 PM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: Sandy
Told you so...and the day is coming when getting pulled over for speeding will justify this same sort of treatment with respect to gun possession after the fact.
37 posted on 06/12/2002 4:07:40 PM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: Sandy
, let's start with people who've been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have exercised very poor judgment.

I can see it now. People who are registered republicans as a sign of excercising bad judgement. How about people who belong to a gun rights group?

The Soviets used a similar argument to lock opponents in mental institutions. The argument was that you had to be insane to oppose the state, therefore opposition to the state was proof of insanity and you were subject to long term corrective institutionalisation in a state psychiatric institution.

We are living in interesting times to say the least.

42 posted on 06/12/2002 4:42:43 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: Sandy
Interesting article. I would encourage ALL to read the "Down and Out" sidebar off the link Denver Westword that Sandy provided above.

I still see no evidence that anyone not ALREADY a convicted felon has suffered as a result of EXILE. So what we are talking here is strictly ex-felons. Granted, some violent, some non-violent. Most of the examples given in sidebar represent violent/threatening behavior.

I would also add, roughly 66% of police officers KIA are shot by those who legally, cannot possess weapons under current laws.

Like all gov. programs, EXILE is (has been) getting out of control.

For any combat vets reading, as I have advised on a couple gun boards, if you are considering jumping on board the PTSD "gravy train" (as some call it), think twice! You may be inadvertantly surrendering your RKBA. Think me foolish? Read the Dept. of Veterans Affairs web page re:PTSD. Depending on your degree of disability, as measured by percent of disability, the symptoms a patient presents with may be grounds for an incompetency ruling. i.e. Mental defective-ineligible to possess firearms.

43 posted on 06/12/2002 5:17:42 PM PDT by donozark
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To: Sandy
There are no illegal gun owners, only illegal laws prohibiting gun ownership.
59 posted on 06/12/2002 10:11:30 PM PDT by rebelsoldier
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To: Sandy
NRA - "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

Fed Govt. - "When every citizen is an outlaw, no one will have guns."

65 posted on 06/13/2002 6:42:54 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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