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Judge sentences man to 25 years for beating trick-or-treater
AP ^ | June 12, 2002

Posted on 06/12/2002 11:57:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:38:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

VICTORVILLE, Calif. (AP) - A man described by a judge as "an evil monster" was sentenced to 25 years in prison for using a baseball bat, metal pipe and golf club to attack a 12-year-old Halloween trick-or-treater on his doorstep.


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To: FastCoyote
Moreover, guns are very likely to kill innocent bystanders, just like it is proposed meth did in this article. So, tell me what the difference is, . . .

Second Amendment.

Next question.

101 posted on 06/14/2002 3:43:40 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
"this would have NEVER happened had methamphetamines been legal. "

You moron, IT HAPPENED WHILE THEY ARE ILLEGAL! So what are you jabbering about?

102 posted on 06/14/2002 3:44:36 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Kevin Curry
If the Second Ammendment protects guns, why doesn't the absence of any mention of drugs in the Constitution eliminate the DEA? Oh, I get it, the Constitution only means what you think it means on any given day! I think it means I deserve a check for a million dollars! My lucky day, anyone can interpret the Constitution to mean anything.
103 posted on 06/14/2002 3:47:54 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Kevin Curry
RE: 101

Because the Constitution does not specifically prohibit Congress from doing something is not a grant of power to do it.

104 posted on 06/14/2002 4:00:41 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Windsong
I dont see a Conservative Administration fighting over this.

So it is your belief that drugs are responsible and not the people that commit the acts? Shouldn't you be calling for his release and rehabilitation since it is obvious that he wasn't in control of his faculties at the time? It was, after all, the evil drug(tm) that made him do it.

105 posted on 06/14/2002 4:01:49 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Kevin Curry
Ninth Amendment. Next Question.
106 posted on 06/14/2002 4:02:51 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: FastCoyote

Ban Hockey! Ban Golf!!! Ban Baseball!!! Ban Alcohol!!!!!

A beautiful young girl was recently killed at a hockey game by violent players who didn't know what they were doing. They'd even laughed at the dangers to bystanders in the past. They weren't laughing after they'd beaned the poor girl in the temple with a hockey puck.

And damn if Skakel didn't bean his girlfriend with a golf club after being drunk, implicating both golf and alcohol.

So combining with the above article in which the victim was beaned with a baseball bat, it is clear the only thing illegal in all these cases was the amphetamine. If we'd banned alcohol, hockey pucks, golf clubs and baseball bats, this could all have been avoided (since drugs in general are already banned, unfortunately we can't blame them)

107 posted on 06/14/2002 4:06:55 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Texaggie79
A nuke is an inanimate object. Want to make it legal to sell them at k-mart? Or does the mere fact of owning a nuke endanger your neighbors to the point where their rights are being violated?

Possessing a weapon is not a threat. Pointing it at someone is. The threat is not the device itself but the act of pointing it at somebody.

The same rule applies to explosives. The device itself is not the threat. The threat stems from the act of pointing it at someone (bringing it to within range of another). Because explosives are indiscriminate, anyone in the blast radius is essentially having a weapon pointed at them. Unless they have consented to this condition, they could make a legitimate argument that a weapon is being pointed at them and would thus be morally justified in the application of force to defend themselves.

108 posted on 06/14/2002 4:07:42 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: FastCoyote
Because the essential difference might not have seeped through the crack in your granite noggin and onto that Brazil nut you call a brain, let me make it more clear to you.

The right to keep and bear arms is an unalienable right. Smoking dope and shooting methamphetamine are not.

The right to keep and bear arms is essential to personal and national security and self-defense. Smoking dope and shooting methampetamine are utterly devoid of any virtue outside of getting a user stoned so he can act like an ass (or, as in this case, beat a 12 year-old boy nearly to death).

In short, there is essential and transcendent virtue in the Second Amendment that justifies denying power to government to prohibit personal ownership of guns despite the fact that some citizens will misuse guns.

There is no essential virtue in dope and meth use. They are useful only to advance George Soros's "doper-victim" nanny government socialist agenda.

109 posted on 06/14/2002 4:08:42 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Alan Chapman
"Because the Constitution does not specifically prohibit Congress from doing something is not a grant of power to do it."

Whooo boy, did you just let a stinker. So Congress can do anything not in the Constitution? So they could take everything you own? The states are meaningless and federalism has come to naught? In other words, you believe yourself a slave?

110 posted on 06/14/2002 4:13:21 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
RE: 110

I think you misunderstood what I said.

111 posted on 06/14/2002 4:18:46 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Kevin Curry
"The right to keep and bear arms is an unalienable right. Smoking dope and shooting methamphetamine are not. "

Apparently, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not unalienable rights to you. Therefore, let's just all pack it in boys, where are the manacles? Sign me up first to be a puddinhead who can't even control my bladder without help from the government.

112 posted on 06/14/2002 4:19:06 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Alan Chapman
Because explosives(hard drugs) are indiscriminate, anyone in the blast(user's) radius is essentially having a weapon pointed at them. Unless they have consented to this condition, they could make a legitimate argument that a weapon is being pointed at them and would thus be morally justified in the application of force to defend themselves.
113 posted on 06/14/2002 4:23:21 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Cultural Jihad
"This defendant is a poster child against the argument for drugs being legalized," Superior Court Judge Stephen Ashworth said. "Not that he's not responsible. But if it wasn't for drugs, this never would have happened."

Superior Court Judge shows inferior intellect. If it weren't for irresponsible a-holes, this would never have happened. However, it did happen, even with drug laws. As though laws ever kept anyone from using drugs. If it weren't for the availability of baseball bats, this would never have happened either. Ban baseball bats. If it weren't for Halloween, this would never have happened. Ban Halloween.
114 posted on 06/14/2002 4:29:50 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Texaggie79
"Can you run down to the store and pick up some Crystal Meth? (the drug not the music group) Do you know where you can score some meth here within the next 30 mins? Legalize it and all that changes, and thousands more will have access to crystal meth....."

Actually, I don't know anyone who does meth, plenty who do MJ. But since meth is so easy to make (in a bath tub) I suspect it's harder TO FIND for most people because it just isn't as popular cause of the side effects. But the cops find a lab once a week in the hotels, so it is about as easy to find as can be in out already utopian drug-illegal world.

115 posted on 06/14/2002 4:33:32 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: aruanan
See this story in which the same spurious kind of reasoning used by the judge could be employed to ban brooms.
116 posted on 06/14/2002 4:34:56 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: FastCoyote
Apology Alan, I see what you were saying, Curry just had me befuzzled because of his lack of understanding and I misread what you said.
117 posted on 06/14/2002 4:38:18 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Texaggie79
RE: 113

Do you have any alcohol in your house? Any mind-altering drugs in your medicine cabinet? Pain-relievers? Sleeping pills? Anti-depressants? Stimulants? Muscle-relaxants? Cold-medicine? Would your neighbors be morally justified in dragging you out of your house and kicking your ass because you consumed an intoxicant?

Just as leftist liberals like to blame guns for crime you like to blame drugs. It isn't the use of something that is a crime. It is the misuse.

118 posted on 06/14/2002 4:40:33 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: OWK; texaggie79; galt-jw
To: Texaggie79

You have a habit of changing the subject when you get your butt kicked in an argument. Stick to the subject. - 56 by OWK

The subject is: can an inanimate object be so much of a threat, that by owning it, you violate your neighbors rights? - 58 by Texaggie79

To: OWK

amen to that one, bro. this shlub will do everything except admit that he/she is a pure statist.

even after confronted with the question: if it is not YOUR life based on what you can do with it, barring anarchy, WHOSE life is it? i still have to get an answer on that one. since i never have, not even once, i no longer correspond with them. they are like babies who plug their ears and say "nanana cant hear you", when faced with their own identity.
the children will not admit that their beliefs imply the life of the individual belongs to the state.

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Yep, once again tex-baby has demonstrated his sophomoronic inability to present a coherent logical point on 'inanimate objects'. - His infantile stance is a wonder to behold.

119 posted on 06/14/2002 4:44:03 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Alan Chapman
So then, crystal meth has a good resposible use as guns do?
120 posted on 06/14/2002 4:45:25 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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