"You can find much of that in the Bible too, all sanctioned by your god."Oh, no. That's where you're wrong. Not my god.
And not The One True God.
You have jumped to conclusions--wrong conclusions--and a very absurd conclusion.
Such things are not sanctioned by God--that is, the One True God. Obviously, any "god" or "diety" that does sanction such things is not God.
I repeat:
Any "diety" that advocates murder, terror, torture, stoning people to death, the bashing of the heads of children on stones, slavery, chopping off hands and feet, the execution of rape victims, and other unspeakable atrocities--is not God.I don't care whether you call "him" Jehovah or Allah or Donald Duck--"he" is Satan and those who serve "him" are devil-worshippers.
Evil by any other name would smell as vile.And, frankly, I don't give a hoot in hell what text they use to justify their evil deeds either. They can blame them on the Koran or the Bible or anything they want. The blame is theirs and only theirs, and they cannot escape this.
Anyone who follows the devil--or makes a pact with the devil--knows exactly what he is doing, and he alone is responsible for the consequences. Trying to shift the blame to some ancient text won't let him off the hook.
"And anyone who serves such a "diety" worships Satan"Not at all. I did not call any Christians Satanists."Um, whatch out what you say. You just called all Christians Satanists. "
However, it is true that there are Satanists who call themselves Christians.
Anyone who serves a "diety" such as that described above is a devil-worshipper and is not a Christian--no matter what he may call himself. The fact remains.
Those vile terrorists and murderers and others who commit blood-thirsty acts "in the name of God" are guilty of the ultimate blasphemy.This statement is true.
To sin in the name of God is the ultimate blasphemy!
"If you read the Koran without the whacked-out fanatical bent of these Muslim leaders, you can also see that these people are guilty of grave sins according to their own religion. They are going to their hell, not their heaven. "I haven't read the Koran. I might sometime, but I really don't feel like reading it. It's waaaaaay down on my list.
But I frankly don't doubt that what you say is true.
It is clear that these people are guilty of grave sins. Whether or not this is true according to their own religion I couldn't say. You say so, and it is certainly possible. But, if so, those Muslims who fail to denounce them and to condemn their sinful acts and rhetoric, are complicit in their sin and have, at least, themselves committed serious sins of omission.
The world is listening--cupped hand to ear--for this denunciation and condemnation.
By the way--this Christian has just denounced and condemned such acts and rhetoric--vide supra--whether by anyone, be he Muslim, (faux-)Cristian, or what--in no uncertain terms.
"The only recent act I can remember that may be justified by the Koran..."Frankly, I don't give a damn what's justified by the Koran or the Bible or anything else.
Anyone can find justification for evil--or good or anything he wants justified--anywhere he might choose to look for it. But "justification" does not make anything true.
The cosmos is God's holy scripture. The truth is there for anyone to find.
You're starting to confuse me, but let's just say that many revered by Christians and considered righteous in the eyes of God (according to the Bible) did some horrible things in the name of God or by the command of God -- at least so they claimed (that could be your point?).
The blame is theirs and only theirs, and they cannot escape this .. Trying to shift the blame to some ancient text won't let him off the hook.
You know, except for the whole Devil thing, we're very much agreeing here. If you depersonify "Devil" into a concept of wrongness or evil, I'm right with you on this.
But, if so, those Muslims who fail to denounce them and to condemn their sinful acts and rhetoric, are complicit in their sin and have, at least, themselves committed serious sins of omission.
Oh yeah, we're definitely agreeing now.
Frankly, I don't give a damn what's justified by the Koran or the Bible or anything else.
In that case, I'm talking about plain war. Just as we are fighting on the battlefield to protect our country, there are the rare few Palestinians who have actually stood up and fought against Israeli troops for what they believe is their right to independence. The rest are just pure cowards who go around killing innocent people.
Anyone can find justification for evil--or good or anything he wants justified--anywhere he might choose to look for it.
If only they always looked for justification of good. Wouldn't that be nice? I guess doing good doesn't advance the agendas of the power-hungry elite.