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Dear Reader,

Well, ready or not, it's finally here. Months of allegations, abuse, finger-pointing, and mudslinging have come down to this one event: the meeting of the American bishops in Dallas this weekend. The decisions that they reach will, for better or for worse, change the face of the American Church, but in the meantime we must get ready to be part of the recovery process.

After it's all over, the Church will need our support more than ever. We may not be able to help the bishops in Dallas this weekend, but we can stand with them in defending our Church against dissenters and naysayers who will continue to use this opportunity to attack the Church's discipline of celibacy in the priesthood.

To that end, CRISIS has put together a list of arguments for priestly celibacy and responses to commonly heard criticisms. We hope it helps you better prepare for the future and the role all of us must play in restoring the moral authority of our Church.

Best,

Deal Hudson

1 posted on 06/14/2002 10:21:48 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: patent; Notwithstanding; JMJ333; Aunt Polgara; AgThorn; IM2Phat4U; toenail; MHGinTN...
Second verse, same as the first...expect more attacks on priestly celibacy, and review the pertinent explanations here.
2 posted on 06/14/2002 10:25:38 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Excellent! Bookmarked for future use. Why can't these damned "modernists" just go off and start their own religion, and leave ours alone!
3 posted on 06/14/2002 10:29:36 AM PDT by GreatOne
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To: Polycarp
Dear Polycarp:
Are you celibate? If not, why do you expect clergymen to be? Fact One: Historically, most of the apostles in the opinion of Biblical scholars, including both Peter and the Paul that you cite were married--Mosaic law practically required marriage! Fact Two: Most of the Church's priests until the 12th Century were married--in fact two popes were succeeded by thei sons and all four are today regarded saints! Fact Three: Allowing marriage in the Roman church will at least mean more priests in the pulpit (something the Roman church is now struggling with).

And, finally IMHO, it will put some pressure on the homosexuals now hiding behind their priestly robes to get out of the closet and hopefully the clergy!

6 posted on 06/14/2002 10:45:30 AM PDT by meandog
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To: Polycarp
Celibacy in the Church is a sad joke.

It doesn't exist.

What does exist, is a priesthood made up in large part of active homosexuals. And the Church has done absolutely nothing to root out these miscreants.

Don't tell me about how these priests are upholding Scripture. They aren't---they are getting their sick kicks either with other gay men, or by raping boys.

7 posted on 06/14/2002 10:55:34 AM PDT by 07055
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To: Polycarp
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirts and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 1 Tim. 4:1-3
8 posted on 06/14/2002 10:58:44 AM PDT by classmuse500
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To: Polycarp
I am confused by the fact that the practice of celibacy is now viewed as an obligation for priests. Celibacy was only seen as a very, very good choice in the early Centuries of the Church. Celibacy was not seen as an obligation.

Shouldn't that choice still be between God and the individual priest?

Just as a particular priest might decide to follow a more strict religious regimen (extra fasting, extra praying, etc) than his fellow priests, perhaps a priest might choose to remain celibate.

Eating is not a sin. Gluttony is a sin.
Taking it easy isn't a sin. Sloth is a sin.
Having sex isn't a sin. Having sex outside of marriage is.

Marriage is not a sin, that needs to be avoided, any more than eating is a sin. Priests don't need to fast all the time, out of fear that they will become gluttonous if they eat or that their mealtimes will interfere with their work. Why must all priests avoid marriage all the time?

Servicemen and service women and doctors have lives that demand sacrifices of them. Are we going to say that they can't get married because marriage will interfere with their vocations?

12 posted on 06/14/2002 11:52:55 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: Polycarp
FYI: Greek Orthodox priests are allow to be married
but they are not allowed to get married after they have taken their vows.

Additionally, if you are married your ability to move up in rank is limited to a certain level.

It just seems, regardless of religion, the left is trying to make god in the left's image.

15 posted on 06/14/2002 12:09:14 PM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: Polycarp
Funny thing but the best Catholics leaders and most faithful to their religion and its teachings are married members of the laity NOT the supposedly celibate cardinals
18 posted on 06/14/2002 12:31:31 PM PDT by uncbob
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I must admit that I find the demand of the Catholic Church for celibacy to be rather puzzling. The author's main point seems to be summed up in this statement: "A priest's first duty is to his flock, while a husband's first duty is to his wife." Apparently, he doesn't think a married man can be devoted to his flock. Technically, a priest's or pastor's first duty is to God, not his flock. In fact, that is the first duty of any Christian, clergy or layperson, married or single.

Despite his slant toward celibacy, the Apostle Paul recognized marriage as being perfectly in line with the Christian lifestyle. He writes, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her" (Ephesians 5:25). Earthly marriage between a man and a woman has always been looked upon as being representative of Christ's relationship with the church. To say that marriage has absolutely no place in the priesthood is to read something into Scripture that just isn't there.

Nowhere in Scripture will you find that the clergy are commanded to be celibate. That is strictly an invention of the Catholic Church. Members of the clergy are expected to be sexually pure, and I believe that a healthy sexual relationship within the confines of marriage definitely figures into that.

If a man believes that God has called him to a celibate lifestyle, more power to him. But if he believes he is called to a life of wedded companionship in his service for the Lord, it seems unfair that his usefulness as a priest would be so casually dismissed. Those who have been covered by the blood of the Lamb are all priests (1 Peter 2:9) and saints (1 Corinthians 1:2) in the eyes of God, and I believe that a healthy marriage, even among the clergy, is pleasing in God's sight. To say that marriage has no place in the priesthood of the Catholic Church is to say that God was foolish for instituting marriage in the first place.

So, once again, it appears that the Church has to decide which is more important, Catholic tradition or Holy Scripture. Firstly, there is no command for anyone to avoid marriage and live a celibate lifestyle. Secondly, a healthy marriage relationship among the clergy is actually encouraged (1 Timothy 3). Why is that so difficult for some to accept?

41 posted on 06/14/2002 3:26:40 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: Polycarp
BTTT Great post!
83 posted on 06/14/2002 11:33:11 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Polycarp
3. Married priests relate better to issues concerning marriage and the family.
To put it bluntly, one doesn't need to be an adulterer to counsel other adulterers

What a low opinion this author has of marriage! Does he think that all married people are adulterers? Is adultery the only problem married couples face?

This article reeks of the priest is superior to the poor mortal layman attitude that the Church of Rome has always had and which is the real cause of the ongoing sex scandals that have plagued the papacy. This is only the most recent example. It will continue because the Church of Rome is apostate and is no part of the Christian Faith. She is the Beast biding her time.

94 posted on 06/16/2002 5:17:59 AM PDT by Niagara
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Let's get practical about married priests.

WHO is goig to pay for all of the houses needed for these families? WHO is going to pay for the education of the hildren? WHO is going to pay for the clothes for the wife and kids? The PARISHONERS are going to DOUBLE what they give or TRIPLE what they give....in order for the priests o marry?? I DON'T THINK SO!

What if the priest marries a non-Catholic? What if she cheats on him? What if the kids turn Satanic? What if the wfe is a cleptomaniac? What if she has an abortion?

Gee, people, it's not all that difficult to see a practical, secular side to celibacy.

95 posted on 06/16/2002 5:20:55 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Polycarp;dansangel
Thanks for posting this article. Something that should be read by all. Married priests are not common, I have been a Catholic all my life and have lived in many places over the years I have met only 2 married priests, one in Germany in the sixties and our present parish priest here in Georgia.
101 posted on 06/18/2002 12:58:29 AM PDT by .45MAN
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To: Polycarp
God bless you for posting this. It will be very valuable to me.
105 posted on 06/18/2002 11:55:15 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Polycarp
As you all know, the original words of all writings were laboriously copied and handed down over the generations.

And in the process of copying these documents, occasionally errors were introduced.

It turns out that in the phrase that the catholics took to mean "celibate manhood" the original phrase was "celebrate manhood".

There is probably an especially hot place in Hell reserved for these fellows.

They can always correct their mistake and revert to the original meaning but the perverts and deviates have such control of the situation now that they are unlikely to give up their palace of sodomy now known as the catholic church.
115 posted on 06/19/2002 7:42:21 AM PDT by Pylot
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I don't know how much married priests will cut down on homosexual abuse of children, but being married does not preclude one from being called of God to serve according to the bible.

Matt. 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

I think Jesus was pretty far sighted, God ordained and blessed marriage, God does not preclude married men from serving in the Church as heads of the Church under strict guidelines. I think it is better to follow God's way, than man's way.

126 posted on 06/20/2002 5:10:27 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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Only 20% of Greek Orthodox priests are married, or so I recently read, even though they pay them handsome salaries.
The wife and family of a priest have a hard row to plow, and I don't see many middle-class American Catholic families who will rush into such committments, especially as they--unlike the Greeks or the Eastern Rite Catholics--have no tradition to follow.
132 posted on 06/20/2002 10:04:53 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Polycarp
BTTT!
155 posted on 07/02/2002 9:00:55 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Polycarp
Marriage or singleness? God gives much freedom to choose. For most it is marriage. For some singlenes.

Early on the Lord said, "It is not good for man to be alone." If HE says so, who is going to argue?

Then Jesus comes along and says "Those who can accept this (singleness) should." THOSE WHO CAN ACCEPT THIS!!!

Which is not most people! I'm single and I still see myself as marrying someday. If God gives me the grace to stay single, I'll do it. I just hope he gives me more of Him to compensate for a wife.
162 posted on 07/02/2002 9:53:31 PM PDT by avenir
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To: Polycarp
optional celibacy is Scriptural. Compulsory celibacy is absolutely not scriptural.
168 posted on 07/04/2002 5:27:15 AM PDT by B.R. Burton
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