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To: MissAmericanPie
And your qualifications as a member of Christ's body are????? If you refer to the pope as my Pope, then your credentials must not be Roman. If not, you really don't want to get into an historical argument claiming that Catholicism is merely a denomination. What your OPINIONS of the meaning of Scripture may be are of absolutely no relevance. No one appointed you to render such opinions. If I remember correctly, St. Paul told you that if you had any questions about religion, you ought not to bring them up in public but to ask your husband in the privacy of your home. Then again, Scriptural interpretation and teaching is the pope's job description not mine and certainly not yours.

Why would the pope teach me to express dishonestly an unmerited respect for error and impudence and busibodiness? As to what my "denomination" says or doesn't say, you are full of beans. Liberal AmChurch heretics who established the "pink palace" status of many AmChurch seminaries may have claimed a shortage of priests so that they can join their confreres outside of the Church in ordaining kangaroos or whatever. They have also systematically excluded orthodox vocations in very large numbers from their seminaries. If you want to know the truth on this, obtain a copy of Michael Rose's recent book: Goodbye, Good Men for an introduction and subscribe to the Wanderer for an ongoing news coverage much more extensive than anything you will see in the secular press.

Did I post anything to suggest that I disagree with the obvious fact that there are perverted, vow-breaking, priests and bishops in the liberal American Catholic Church aka AmChurch who have systematically pervertedly sexually abused not only little boys but little girls, teenagers of all persuasions, but most pervertedly homosexually and that those priests and bishops deserve, along with their protectors to be jailed and punished as severely as allowed by law IN ADDITION to severe Church penalties? I don't think so! Don't falsely pretend otherwise.

You cannot begin to be as indignant and outraged as actual Catholics are over this situation. Nor will absolutely ANY action that you might engage in begin to have any effect whatsoever on the Church itself. If you are not on the team, you do not come to bat.

It may come as a shock to you but Jesus Christ did not become man, live, engage in His ministry, suffer, die, resurrect, ascend to heaven so that a renegade Augustinian monk could found his Church 1485 years later. Jesus actually did His own founding upon Peter. It is right there in Matthew. It was in all the papers. If your faith is sola Scriptura, where do you think you got the Scriptures from (before you removed the books inconvenient to the reformation)???? When were the first copies available even to Church leaders? Who preserved the Scriptures during the barbarian invasions of Europe? Who codified the Scriptures and when? We Catholics do not "claim" that Jesus Christ is Our Lord. He was and is our Founder. He IS and always has been and always will be our Lord and Savior, since long before YOUR denomination was a gleam in the eye of whatever self-appointed and self-annointed biblical critic, merely human and without divine warrant, may have served as its founder. You are, as a generic Christian of some sort, entitled to claim Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior because He is. What you are NOT morally entitled to do is instruct His Church from your erroneous perspective.

You will not be the first and you will not be the last to imagine your errors to be truth. Go find others who share your errors (as you probably have) and comfort one another in your mutual errors. Whatever you may imagine, you have no particular authority over the Church of the truth which you have long rejected. I am not going to dignify such a pretentious argument by pointing out the malefactors in Protestant denominations. If every one of your ministers were engaged in this sort of misconduct (which manifestly most are not) that fact would not justify the slightest sin of even one priest of the Roman Catholic Church. And they will sin, as will we, given the fallen nature of man. Nonetheless, no sin is justified.

Reasonably enough, I would be ignored if I had the effrontery to stick my nose into the affairs of some local Protestant church whose minister stood accused or convicted of misconduct. If the members of that church do not accept the dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church, they have little business listening to any complaints of mine as to their internal governance. I have no business launching the complaints. My business in the circumstances described would be to pray PRIVATELY (to God and not to my gullible fellow humans) that the sinner repent and be forgiven by God and, after death, enjoy Eternal Life. My business would not be to act like some self-righteous, door-to-door tract dispensing prig offering impudent and unwarranted and unwelcome opinions. If you don't like my posts to you, remember that you started us down this road as though you had some divine warrant to correct theologically the Church of Jesus Christ Himself.

Just because you subscribe to whatever flavor of erroneous belief happens to satisfy your inclinations, doesn't mean that you are entitled to be taken seriously by Catholics based upon the record to date.

If you want to argue doctrine, take it to the Neverending Story threads where you may get a more respectful hearing. If I seem "a little high on my horse", that is a matter of perspective and entirely understandable, given yours and mine respectively. Nice of you to notice.

156 posted on 07/02/2002 9:50:06 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
Your problem is with God's word, take it up with Him. I have no idea why you would think that only Catholics are "Peter's Church". That claim doesn't wash against, "Who are my brother's and my sister's? Those that do the will of my Father". Not all of any denomination fit's that bill, so I'll let God judge between me and thee.

Traditions of men do little to impress God, a good way to solve the problem of pedophiles in the priesthood, is to lay down that tradition of celibacy, that isn't scriptural, and allow married men to serve. I have a responsibility to tell it like it is, I have done so, let it be accepted or rejected. My work here is done.=o)

158 posted on 07/02/2002 2:38:35 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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