CONGRESS DID DECLARE WAR! Joint Resolution Authorizing The Use Of Force Against Terrorists

U.S. Congress ^ | 9/14/2001 | U.S. Congress

[steve50]

"Of future presidents, we can have no confidence in the man. We must bind him down in chains, the chains of the Constitution." Thomas Jefferson

We have failed to do this for too long, we will pay the price

[tracer]

The Barbary pirates were better defined and identified than al Qaeda, but I hope that you are correct. Thanks....

[NormsRevenge]

I guess we need to turn the other cheek and let the terrorists nail us again .. and again ... The couple of constitution law toting fellas in here don't seem to get that lil piece of it and how they play into it. I could care less if a declaration is made formally or not, if it was insurance driven, so be it. Im shur Congre$$ would make everythng all better insurance wise in the end.

The undeniable fact is people were vaporized on 9-11 never to be seen again on this good earth. The hand wringers seem more concerned about details and an properly orchestrated sequence of events then wiping this terrorist vermin from this earth. This Orwellian talk is nothing but a bunch of hooey.

[billbears]

Let go of the Constitution

Wheee!!! Let go of the Constitution should we? Tell me, why bother fighting then? What exactly would we be fighting for? Safety? Freedom? You let go of the Constitution and you'll have one of them I promise you. In the past, the United States have steered away from the Constitution and in every instance the excuse given was for some greater cause whether it be 'saving the union' or 'extending freedom from our shores'. And in every instance, EVERY ONE!! more freedoms have been taken away from the citizens of the respective states that belong to this union. All for 'greater good'. Thanks, but no thanks. I kind of like my freedom, I like being able to say what I feel and go where I go without the general government following me every step of the way. Like they don't do that already!!

[Common Tator]

For such a radical redesign of government to be legitimate, it would have to have been passed as a constitutional amendment. It was not. Mere legislation is inferior to constitutional directives. Once upon a time, conservatives knew that.

The Constitution says whatever the judges say it says today. It could say something else tomorrow. And unless you are the 9 supreme court justices what you say it says isn 't worth a warm pitcher of spit.

The Supreme court in Marbury Vs Madison said the constituion says what the justices say it says. And they can determine what it says in any old penumbra they care to look under.

The president of the United States can do anything the people will support including puting american citizens in concentration camps in WWII or suspending Habeas Corpus as Lincoln did in the civil war.

WE have not been a Constitutional Republic for 198 years. Not since Marbury Vs Madison. We are a Democracy overseen by Judical Fiat.

That power grab occured when the Democracy Advocates took over this Nation in 1800. It was a Contstitutional Republic in 1800 but it didn't last out the Jefferson(first Democrats) term. Democracy Advocates had the house, senate, Presidency and Supreme court in their control.

The Democracy Advocates (Democrats) converted us into the Democracy we have been ever since.

What part of a Democracy tempered by Judical Fiat don't you understand!

[FreeTally]

The hand wringers seem more concerned about details and an properly orchestrated sequence of events then wiping this terrorist vermin from this earth.

Yep! Just like the constitution points out. We are evil people, I tell 'ya.

Terrorism has existed since the beginning of time. It is caused by fanatics responding to foreign governments poking their noses into the affairs of other countries.

[FreeTally]

We have failed to do this for too long, we will pay the price.

Unfortunately, you are correct.

[Hacksaw]

And as much as people want to believe this "resolution" holds the legal, constitutional force of decalring war, it doesn't. Plain and simple.

What nation should we declare war against?

[freeeee]

I guess we need to turn the other cheek and let the terrorists nail us again .. and again ...

Um no. We want a declaration of war. Usually that is followed by lots of our solders killing the enemy. Declaring war isn't "turning the other cheek", ya think?

if it was insurance driven, so be it

We ignore the Constitution, paid for with the blood of our founders, over a freakin insurance policy, and you're ok with that. I think I'm going to be sick.

This Orwellian talk

Oh, there's some Orwellian talk going on alright. "War is Peace". That's the message here. Unofficial, unending war is the entire cornerstone of "1984". Here, read it for yourself:

1984

[NormsRevenge]

These are extraordinary times. I rekkun my comment has gotten misabsorbed by some folks. "Lett go of the Constitution" implies that there are times that man must stand and trust what is in his heart and not what is on paper. All you folks would give the terrorists there day in court is what I see going on here and using the Constitution and War Powers Acts as smoke screens to allow those who disagree with the methods and manners of waging war on terrorism be throttled so we can fight a "Proper" war. If I messed with your minds, Sorry, I know what Im meant to say, but didn't add enough to flesh it out.

[SunStar]

No. Amendments are covered by article V, and nowhere does Article V list SCOTUS as being able to amend the Constitution.

That's not what I was referring to. The SCOTUS decides if new laws are Constitutional. They have repeatedly ruled on this issue in the past, but people like you refuse to agree with any law made past the 1780's.

[NormsRevenge]

No, I just think your focus is fuzzy is all. I don't think you or otheres are eveil, but I do wish you would quit crying by the book, The terrorists don't.

[FreeTally]

What nation should we declare war against?

Lets see, Afganistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Omen, Rowanda, Somali just to name a few. The entire world should join in if terrorism is such a big threat.

[SunStar]

And in every instance, EVERY ONE!! more freedoms have been taken away from the citizens of the respective states that belong to this union.

Yeah, those pesky Japanese-American internment camps are still running 50 years after-the-fact! This is an outrage! [/Sarcasm]

[FreeTally]

That's not what I was referring to. The SCOTUS decides if new laws are Constitutional.

A resolution isn't even a law. It has no force of law in any manner.

[NormsRevenge]

No offense intended but I think you already are sick ... as I am of this nation';s citizens being at war with each other at a time when we should be at war with our true enemies.

[FreeTally]

We ignore the Constitution, paid for with the blood of our founders, over a freakin insurance policy, and you're ok with that. I think I'm going to be sick.

That makes two of us, and the rest of his posts are not helping the situation.

[freeeee]

I understand what you're saying. In fact, I agree that's how it works. I hold no illusions that this is still a Republic.

However, this is where the Declaration of Independence kicks in. We may be in practice ruled by SCOUTUS, and other branches independent of the Constitution, but such rule is illegitimate.

All political power is held by the People and exercised through the Consent of the Governed. You can read the rest of the DoI, and get the picture.

[SunStar]

A resolution isn't even a law. It has no force of law in any manner.

Yes, but it expresses the will of Congress, which is the key point here. Both houses of Congress AGREED and FULLY AUTHORIZED the use of military force. PERIOD.

[Hacksaw]

Lets see, Afganistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Omen, Rowanda, Somali just to name a few. The entire world should join in if terrorism is such a big threat.

But do the terrorists control the governments there, or are they merely part of a network? This is not as simple as the Japs bombing Pearl Harbor.