Skip to comments.Home Depot stops doing business with federal government (even cash!)
Posted on 06/16/2002 11:29:08 AM PDT by John JorsettEdited on 05/11/2004 5:33:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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We're not going to piss off our customer base by telling guys in Uniform to go pound sand.
This will be straightened out when the guys at Legal sit down with the Justice Dept. and make sure that our butts are covered. What the people at Lowe's haven't figured out is that when you do big business with the Feds, they can often call the tune.
Be Seeing You,
Take another look at the policy. They seem to be trying very hard to NOT be considered a "government contractor" and thus subject to all sorts of laws and regulations.
If you go in to buy something for your own PERSONAL use, as opposed to buying supplies for your BASE, then they would have no reason under that policy to refuse you
I wish it were that easy. True, Congress passes vague laws that give bureaucrats way too much leeway. But the bureaucrats stay up late and night thinking about creative ways to twist the laws even further to harass businesses even beyond the level Congress intended.
I have mixed feelings about HD. My brother, who is a manufacturers' rep for a number of US companies, sells to them, and he's PO'd because they are constantly beating up on him as to when he's going to have his client companies manufacture stuff in (slave labor Communist) China. So on the one hand, I'd be more impressed with HD if they didn't appear to be so hell-bent on getting goods from foreign countries, especially China.
OTOH, I admire them for trying to avoid business with the government. They had better be ready for a helluva fight. The bureaucrats' weapons will at least be the following:
- Conducting stealth purchases by government employees for cash ("temporary exceptions to the GSA's under-$2500 rule"), and telling HD that they're doing biz with the Feds whether they like it or not, and whether they know it or not.
- Sending out every OSHA, EPA, and EEOC auditor they can round up to give their respective root canals to every store, every branch, and every office.
- Pit-bull IRS auditors on every audit relating to their income tax returns and employee-benefits plans
- Rumor-mongering from "sources withing the SEC" about "dubious accounting practices" or "insider trading."
- Antitrust actions from the DOJ, alleging that HD has used predatory pricing to eliminate the small-time hardware stores.
- Lawsuits by the Feds claiming that HD engages in interstate commerce, and is BY DEFINITION subject to the laws and orders they are trying to avoid having to comply with. After all, how do customers get to the store (federally-funded interstate highways)? Who do their trucks pay excise taxes to (the feds)?
- The probably pounding that the stock will take when various items of bad news referred to above are reported.
Like I said, they had better be ready.
I get really tired of this 'We're at war' crap. It worked when Osama bin Laden was alive. But now the war is against everyone Muslim, and it's going to last forever, and oh by the way, the FBI needs to read all your e-mail now, even though there's irrefutable evidence that the September 11 attacks could have been prevented if it had merely bothered to read its own e-mail.
Yes, we are at war. We are at war with politicians who wish to use a bizarre terrorist attack as a pretext for vastly expanding the power of the federal government and vastly curtailing our civil liberties. I'm not biting, and neither is Home Depot.
That is a weird way to do business. If these guys sent me a 16-page form to fill out, I'd tell them the same thing: "The only paperwork I want to see from you is a check or purchase order."
Good for Home Depot.
They are precisely right. The government does (thanks to liberal judges and Democrat-ally trial lawyers) expand their control scope in just this manner. And the government is hoping that the soldiers and such who are declined service at Home Depot will cause a sympathetic backlash that forces Home Depot's hand.
I honor and support our troops. Thank you for your service. But kudos to Home Depot for knowing the nature of the leftist expansion.
Sounds to me like if the government puts in writing that the sales would not cause Home Depot to fall under the auspices of those laws and orders, that they would be more than happy to do business with out servicemen.
I am with Home Depot on this.
Wow, Cynthia McKinney is now a Freeper! Good to see that the war is over. Radical Islamists are no longer trying to kill Americans at home and abroad... they now just want to give us all candy and a bug hug! Whew, that takes a load off. Guess we can all just go back to pretending 9-11 never happened.
While it is an expression of Freedom, and they are able to not deal with the government, I would say that under the conditions indicated, it is unpatriotic. They can't be complaining about government paperwork, there is none for cash purchases. I don't know what their reason for not dealing with the government, especially the military, is, but absent a better explanation than that given in the article, I would call it unpatriotic. If that supply sergent had to go farther or spend more of your money to satisfy his unit's needs, then that's just that much less they can do to accomplish their mission, under fixed limits of money and personnel.
When you do business with the government, you have to fill out a huge paperwork package for the privilege of having them buy from you. Then you're subject to all kinds of audits and have to file and track mountains of paperwork because every single purchase has a paperwork package involved.
More and more companies are deciding that the mountains of paperwork, intrusive audits, and being treated like a criminal if you get dinged on an audit just isn't worth the money. Good, maybe the government will scale back their paperwork and bureacracy if companies stop doing business with them.
When you go to the grocery store, you don't make the cashier review and sign a 16-page stack of paperwork. The government shouldn't make that demand on businesses, either.
If a 19-year-old boatswain's mate needs to run to Home Depot for a couple extra gallons of haze gray paint, I don't think he should be denied service. And until they're willing to treat our military at least as well as they treat any other customer, they don't need the business of this ex-Navy man. It's called the free market... I can shop where the military isn't rejected.
According to the article uniformed personnel can't even purchase items in cash. So much for letting them buy things for personal use. I'm all for limited government, but when hatred of the Feds spreads to contempt for the military, I'm not going to play along.
I wouldn't hold a company as anti American or anything that refused to do business with the U.S. government. There are plenty of other valid reasons such as:
The federal government always takes a long time to pay. It can be up to six months after you deliver the product before they send the check. Unless you are selling special designed $600 dollar hammers it hurts your cash flow.
Paper work reporting requirements are costly. I know more than one business that folded after they failed to read and understand all the fine print in the contract. The feds will withhold payment until you comply with all the paper submittals and they can be complex. If you think your income tax return is burdensome, then try adminstering a federal contract. When I used to propose defense contracts we always added the blurb, "to comply with FAR and DAR" in the proposal to justify costs. The Federal Aquistion Regulations and Defense Aquisition Regulations contain thousands of pages and dozens of volumes that in turn reference other government regulations and specifications.
No Joke. The old specification for fruit cake used to get faxed around for laughs. It was 26 pages long and had required dimensions for the dried fruit particles.
When I used to farm out, "out source" defense contract items I was always careful to warn new vendors. "Your books have to be clean and well documented. All it takes is for one bad audit and you could loose everything you've worked for." The profits are there, but you have to play the game by their rules or you loose.
I just started.
The real paperwork and audit hassle comes when you want to be a GSA-approved contractor so that you can sell them large volumes and/or high-dollar stuff. I'm guessing that the big boys at Home Depot didn't know this and just issued a blanket policy, or maybe the govt. did something to really piss them off. Who knows?
Military commanders are required by law to place all establishments that discriminate against their personnel off-limits.
Again, not one of us has been discriminated against, and we'll continue to shop at whichever stores best serve our needs. For me, that's Home Depot. As real men know, Lowe's is for ladies.
I'm going to... guess based on more than 20 years of military service that many members of the military will voluntarily boycott the company when they learn of this policy.
Those of us with more than 20 years of military service know who onerous and threatening it is to deal with federal bureaucracy. When more of us learn of Home Depot's common-sense new policy, more of us will shop at Home Depot.
We support our own.
"Our own" does not include chicken-crap bureaucrats who force private enterprise to run its businesses into the ground. This Marine was at Home Depot yesterday, and will be back again this week -- happier than ever!
It's called a "period". It looks like this (centered below):
The right hand "ring" finger is used to press it.
Learn about the "period". Use it.
On the other hand, you're free to continue advertising to the world your illiteracy.
Actually, I agree this is probably good news, not bad. And I do not believe it affects a soldier in uniform or a government employee buying a product for personal use. It has to do with big ticket items used by the government itself.
I'm not surprised, Sarah. Lowe's was made for ladies. Home Depot is a men's store, and fully stocks what most men want to buy. Such choices are the beauty of private enterprise, but anathema to the federal government.
What the heck is a "GSA Smart Card"? It doesn't sound like a bank card to me. Home Depot probably is right in their policy. Using that card means they probably have paperwork with the Gov't instead of a bank for purchases.
I support them in that decision but the idea that they refuse cash? That's nuts.
I really like Home Depot's "Under no circumstances, at any time, be visible to or make eye contact with a customer" rule. I'm amazed you were able to learn that they were out of stock or didn't stock a product, since that requires actual contact with a phantom employee.
When I go into our local HD, my experience has been that most of the employees are on their phones complaining to one another about the latest outrageous management demand on them while hotfooting it around the corner to avoid interaction with the despised customer.
Plus their lumber stinks.
So I guess you think it's OK for businesses to be forced into complying with FED Laws they don't want to be subjected to? Frankly, I'm so impressed I'm gonna go out of my way to do business with them.
You had the common sense to ostracize the slave-master-extortionist-burdening government. The sooner the business community refuses to sell goods and services to government then the sooner politicians and bureaucrats will get the message that they are the parasites and the creators and producers of goods and services have for too long been their host. They can live and prosper without government intrusion. Conversely, politicians and bureaucrats perish when value producers refuse to sell their goods and services to them.
Wake up! They are the parasites. We are the host. We don't need them. They need us.
They have a bad habit of coming into an area, driving the small businesses out of business, then hire the former employees and owners.
Then after the store is open for a while they stop catering to the contractors, lay the good people off and keep the idiots.
I can't tell you how many times i have gone in there lately just to have to stand in line cause only 2 registers were open.
Not if accepting even cash payments from the feds means you have to comply with and report compliance with all their silly rules.
The Home Depot policy may be discriminatory, since they are refusing to sell to individuals based on their affiliation to the government.
On discrimination laws:
Sheesh, we can't even trust our "employees" -- government officials -- to let them into our homes and businesses without a search warrant if we don't want to let them in. But somehow a business is forced to trust a total stranger with an open door policy. A person/business owner can refuse to allow a government agent access to his property but not a total stranger! And get this, it is the government that can't be trusted without a search warrant that is telling property owners that they must trust total strangers.
Discrimination laws are unjust.
From this link: "Diane Bratcher, President of the Equality Project, a coalition of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered shareholders, pressing companies to prohibit sexual orientation discrimination, [applauded Home Depot's aggressive new commitment to perversity diversity, saying] 'Gay men, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered and all people who believe in equal opportunity for all certainly will take note. We hope Home Depot will be a catalyst to other companies to update their EEO policies to prohibit sexual orientation discrimination.'"
An Army guy paying cash, for delivery to a military site ... is buying it for himself, for his house on base.
Something fishy going on here.
Listen Grasshopper, according to some liberal pollster named Kohut (sp?) Nine, count'em nine!! congressional elections are competative this year. With the fraud and recent immigration of all our new citizens, don't delude yourself with actually thinking your vote counts. Voting today is like peeing in your pants, it gives you a nice warm feeling and nobody notices. (Still I must admit, I do vote every election I can - I just don't think it matters).