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Pornography: Formula for Despair
CERC ^ | Donald DeMarco

Posted on 06/17/2002 8:25:38 PM PDT by JMJ333

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To: gcruse
So what then is the problem with pornography? None of these issues is new. Is it morally wrong in and of itself? The conclusion has to be no. Pornography no more contributes to crime and deviant behavior than does the writer who creates the murder mystery. It is merely a tool, and likely one of many, for the deviant mind that chooses to commit an act of violence.

What about the so many who become addicted to it, ignoring their spouses and children and jobs? What about the many husbands who no longer find their wives sexually attractive, given the unavailable women they get off to sexually with their porn? What about the men and women who become entangled in dangerous sex practices as a result of using porn (and being tempted by what it displays). It's basically a narcotic for many, which sets off sections of the brain. Little of any good comes from it, and a lot of bad does.

101 posted on 06/17/2002 9:56:00 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JMJ333
 Not one of you guys has refuted even one
point made in the article.

Neither do I try to refute the loonies who
would tell me the horrors of smoking cigarettes,
drinking beer, having an abortion, or any other legal activity
for an adult.  I will not defame my liberty by
submitting it to your approval.

102 posted on 06/17/2002 9:56:01 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: PJ-Comix
You guy's have a real problem staying on topic. Uh uh...drunk driving is worse! The topic is the detremental effects of porn. So far, you've managed to not make even one credible rebuttal against what was put forth.
103 posted on 06/17/2002 9:57:13 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Savage Beast
On the other hand, I am an adult, and if I choose to watch skin-flicks, it's nobody's business but my own. And as to whether or not it is harmful to me--I'm the best judge of that.

Like alcholics and drug users, those addicted to porn rarely realize the harm it's causing them until such harm becomes substantial.

104 posted on 06/17/2002 9:57:15 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JMJ333
Not one of you guys has refuted even one point made in the article.

Maybe it's because we have bigger fish to fry than to worry about the "horror" of Porno. Just today I found court documents showing that Timothy McVeigh lived here in Ft. Lauderdale at the same time as Jose Padilla. Today I also found info that the Feds have suppressed at least one surveillance camera tape of John Doe #2. Today I found out that Jose Padilla and John Doe #2 may have had the exact same scars on their cheeks. Today I provided a solid thesis that if McVeigh and Padilla had met it was most likely at the Ft. Lauderdale War Memorial Auditorium Gun Show...and I gave a strong thesis on how they met there.

Sorry if I don't care to waste my time going point by point to "refute" your article. I just don't care. It's just not all that important.

105 posted on 06/17/2002 9:57:18 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Drunk driving ruins (and ends) a lot more lives.

Actually, if you compare the ratios of:
- bartenders to drunk drivers
- porn stars to porn addicts/offenders

You might find a much closer comparison in destroyed lives, though admittedly, not necessarily maimed or killed innocent bystanders (such as you were).

106 posted on 06/17/2002 9:57:37 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: yendu bwam
What about the so many who become addicted to it, ignoring their spouses and children and jobs? What about the many husbands who no longer find their wives sexually attractive, given the unavailable women they get off to sexually with their porn?

What about it?  I don't know of any instances, but will cede to you
that it can happen.  Are we not free to pursue happiness?

107 posted on 06/17/2002 9:58:32 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: PJ-Comix; gcruse
Well if it isn't important to you then why the heck are you on the thread? Let me guess...to dish out sophomoric one-liners. Well, thanks. I'm grateful to both of you for sharing your many opnions on a subject you care nothing about.
108 posted on 06/17/2002 9:59:35 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
This is a great article, with much wisdom and truth. One of the saddest things about porn is that the huge demand for it brings thousands of young people into a business where they end up used and discarded, psychologically damaged and frequently diseased.
109 posted on 06/17/2002 9:59:57 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: HassanBenSobar
What do you think of C.S. Lewis's thoughts about lust, quoted in the article? Do his words make any sense to you?
110 posted on 06/17/2002 10:01:08 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: gcruse
"Are we not free to pursue happiness?"

Well, not exactly, and not according to the Constitution.

111 posted on 06/17/2002 10:01:29 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: JMJ333
mark for reading
112 posted on 06/17/2002 10:03:50 PM PDT by beckett
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To: ValerieUSA
Pornography is reductionist. It reduces the personality, the beauty, the love, the intimacy of humans into the lowest, smallest marketable package possible.

Do you feel similarly about the crime and murder depicted in PG entertainment? I've watched a few porn videos and there's not any murder. Would you prefer that teenaged boys play first person shooting spree video games? Or would you repress it all? Japan is a repressed society, and their porn really reflects it.

113 posted on 06/17/2002 10:03:56 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: JMJ333
 I'm grateful to both of you for sharing your many
opnions on a subject you care nothing about.

I care that there will always be people out there
terrified at the prospect that someone else is enjoying themselves.
The lifestyle police have to be pressed back continuously.

114 posted on 06/17/2002 10:04:02 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: yendu bwam
"Lust is a natural and immensely strong animal desire.

Pride
Avarice
Lust
Envy
Gluttony
Sloth
Anger

Who is to say which is the worst of sins for any given man or woman?

115 posted on 06/17/2002 10:04:31 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: JMJ333
Well if it isn't important to you then why the heck are you on the thread?

Because this obsession about porn only makes Freepers fair game for liberals. I cringe whenever I see some self-styled conservative get on the tube to rant about porn or some other meaningless nonsense. One of these folks is none other than Donna Rice (of "Monkey Business" fame) who has an obsession about Web porn.

116 posted on 06/17/2002 10:04:34 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: gcruse
Nobody is denying you your porn fix. The question is whether it is good for those who become heavily involved in it. Ask yourself this: Would you want your son to spend hours and hours every day in front of a computer terminal jacking off to porn? I doubt it. Do you think the woman that he might marry one day would want a man who spends his time that way? I doubt that too. Do you think that man's children would want a father who spends his time that way? I doubt that as well. Most people understand that vices take away a portion of your freedom and potential in life. Porn does that for a great many.
117 posted on 06/17/2002 10:04:51 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: gcruse
There is no horror associated with abortion? Or years of smoking cigarettes, for that matter??

(For the record, I am against "smoking laws").

118 posted on 06/17/2002 10:05:06 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: yendu bwam
Thanks. I was particularly interested in this portion of the article:

Pornography reduces the person to a thing. Perhaps a more revealing way of putting it is to say that pornography exchanges a name for a number. Hence its preoccupation with numbers: the size of the organs, the duration of intercourse, the number of partners, the frequency and intensity of orgasm. The so-called "vital statistics" do not denote life as such as much as a person reduced to a thing.

Mechanization, which invariably stamps things with sameness, has a strong affinity with pornography. They are both highly impersonal processes whose language is not of names, but of numbers. Pornography forces the impression upon the imagination that a human being is not an individualized person, but an amalgam of parts. One of the more pernicious consequences of the Freudean reduction of the person to conflicting parts is the willingness to ascribe rights to its most basic part, namely, the id. O. Hobart Mowrer has inveighed against Freudeanism for "championing the rights of the body in opposition to a society and moral order which were presumed to be unduly harsh and arbitrary."

Very accurate account of the effects of reductionsim. It reduces human beings to mere playthings and sex machines. It denegrates the sacredness of marriage, family and human life. It transforms sex from a communion of life and love into a simple tool of voyerisitic gratification.

119 posted on 06/17/2002 10:05:07 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Chunga
 
"Are we not free to pursue happiness?"

Well, not exactly, and not according to the Constitution.

What part of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
remains hidden to you?

120 posted on 06/17/2002 10:06:36 PM PDT by gcruse
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