Posted on 06/17/2002 8:25:38 PM PDT by JMJ333
It's getting away from porn that ruined her life.
They don't need me to tell them what they know already!
I could just as easily say that men don't enjoy sex as much as women. I could postulate the following using women as the standard for making that determinition. Women have multiple orgasm more than men, therefore women enjoy sex more than men. Therefore women are more sexual than men.
See? One can set the bar anywhere and claim anything. Doesn't make it true and it sure doesn't make it true for everyone. The person who sets the standards gets to define everyone else based on his/her framework.
A romance novel is a woman's version of porn.
So, if porn is so horrible, why are we not having a concentrated effort to ban all romance novels?
Hmm. Actually, I've found that lefty/feminazi women are more pro-porn than the conservative ones... at least on college campuses. It's as if they're trying to act like your "typical male".
I totally agree as well.
The point yendu bwam and I had been stressing is that the producers of porn did not care what real women (like yourself) thought, or the impact on society and gender relations in general. The porn producers didn't care one way or another. They were not trying to achieve this, it was a side-effect of their pursuit of profit and readership. It got zero time on their calendars. They merely responded to what they knew lustful porn addicted men would continue to buy.
Yes, it results in McSexing or homogenizing sex in our culture but this was a result the porn producers weren't planning or striving towards. Their only goal(s)are profit, increase and lock-in marketshare (get more men addicted), and keep lowering society's moral standard, so their business model is free to grow.
In no way should porn be let off the hook.
It has been corrosive to women as well as men.
But the battle is not about porn producers deliberately trying to dictate or influence women. Porn producers lie to men (their product consumers) about women's sexuality, not to manipulate women in society, but to manipulate the men to buy the product.
To be effective against this, porn must be seen in its true light, crass manipluation of men's lust, with the adverse and equally damaging side effect of falsifying women's sexual response.
I agree. Appealing to the intellect wouldn't work for them. What they appeal to instead is the imagination... which bypasses will and reason entirely. Imagination is a powerful thing and when held in bondage, can override and/or distort sensibilities entirely.
And I do maintain that they editorialize that using porn is "cool" as a standard of sexual sophisticaton and criticising it is the opposite. This is a pro-active marketing tool.
No one should allow themselves to be bullied or intimidated from excercising their free speech rights, which include open, free and public criticism of media of all kinds.
You are absolutely right. This is one mode of gradually lowering society's moral standard....slowly boiling the frog as it were.
No one should allow themselves to be bullied or intimidated from excercising their free speech rights, which include open, free and public criticism of media of all kinds.
I agree again.
Where pornography is concerned, because of it's addictive and corrosive nature, I would advocate some controls only so that children are protected, and my free choice to avoid it is not overridden by spam, junk snail mail, billboards, movie ratings, telemarketers, etc.
I do know and acknowledge that there are biological differences between men and women. But I think we many times ascribe differences to biology when they are actually due to the way our society raises and treats the genders. For years, the term that someone throws "a ball or a punch like a girl" was used. In recent years, scientists have found that actually all children throw a ball in the same way when they start. However, fathers used to jump in and instruct the sons at a very early age. In recent years, this has happened with girls, and there is no difference between the sexes when they receive similar guidance. This is just one example where our experiences of what "most women are like" is due to culturalization.
I think this point is important because I think we have made a critical error in the past with beliefs such as women are naturally more peaceful and kind than men. Jezebel, Susan Smith, Andrea Yates, and the growing number of female criminals prove differently.
We are all human and all deal with a sin nature. We are all capable of degenerating to unbelievable lows and committing unspeakable horrors.
Adolescent girls go through a very intense, hormone-driven, boy-crazy stage; but they are given a thousand messages from their peers, their family, and society that such behavior is not acceptable and not tolerable. Thus, traditionally they have learned to control their sex drives and progress beyond this stage. Adolescent boys on the other hand receive messages that this state is the norm for the male and that they really aren't capable of maturing beyond this and aren't expected to be able to control themselves.
In regards to pornography consumption, it is fairly simple: Today's porno is by and large by men for men. It is not that women are immune. It simply is not designed to appeal to them. In recent years, some "sex therapists" have been designing "sex videos" to appeal to women's tastes. If the porno industry focused on making porno for women, their consumption would probably rise as well. However, I think for the most part it would be among young women. Women raised under the social pressures and having matured beyond this stage by and large see no appeal in returning to an adolescent stage. They have also quite clearly seen and experienced the devastation to both genders and to society caused by pornography.
I believe it is naive to underestimate the capacity of either gender to be degenerate, selfish, and animalistic.
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