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Conservatives not satisfied with Bush's record
The Washington Times ^ | June 18, 2002 | Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 06/18/2002 9:57:13 AM PDT by jimkress

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:54:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Poohbah
No, they wrote themselves off. When you don't vote for someone no matter how much he kisses your anal sphincter, he's going to remove the tongue at some point.

Who do you think was voting for him in 2000? Who do you think was at Cheney's House protests? Who do you think was protesting at the Dade County closed-door recounts? Squishy moderate RINO's?

Who do you think votes at the midterms? Hardcore partisans, or relatively uninvolved voters?

Oh well, I know when your mind is made up. There's not much point in arguing it with you.

41 posted on 06/18/2002 10:27:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Poohbah
Because we didn't get into the current mess overnight, and Constitution doesn't allow us to make a U-turn on a dime so quickly that we give back change.

Lemme get this straight. You further legislation that tramples the amendments to the Consitution mentioned above, so you can fix it later. I think I'm getting this stuff.

It's all part of the big plan. To avoid the appearance of behaving as Constitutional Republic, we need to pass unconstitutional laws.

We also need to spend our people's money like a Kennedy on Methamphetamines so we can elect a few more RINOs to the Senate. This way the real GWB can emerge from the closet and reveal himself as the small government, "strict constructionist" who told us "it's not Washington's money, it's the people's money" a while back.

One question. You think he'll figure out a way (genius that he is) to undo his signature on the billions upon billions of our money he's already spent and the damage that's been done to our founding documents?

42 posted on 06/18/2002 10:28:17 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Lazamataz
I know this: My only vote in 2002 will be for the Governor of Illinois. I will not be voting in any Federal-level Congressional or Senatorial races. I will not be contributing or volunteering for Bush in 2004, and unless he repeals the reauthorization for the Assault Weapons ban, will not be voting for him. If Bush's behavior is your definition of successful constituent loyalty-building, I beg to differ.

Gosh, that's an intelligent approach. If you don't get what you want then pack your bags and leave. Boy will that solve the problem! NOT!

43 posted on 06/18/2002 10:29:15 AM PDT by billva
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To: Poohbah; larrylied
Socialism cannot be destroyed within the system by any legal means. The people on the dole will vote socialist to save their government money( like crack or heroin junkies) and women vote socialist by instinct. The government is also importing a flood of socialist 3rd worlders who have no intention of learning English and no loyalty to America.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

The left will have it be left wing dictatorship but as Pinochet showed in Chile it does not have to be so. Freedom and capitalism can be saved( as opposed to democracy which has nothing to do with freedom) but it can only be done if we are willing to do what it takes to crush the left.

44 posted on 06/18/2002 10:29:42 AM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
Very well. I disagree with your assessment of the situation. I will oppose your efforts to destroy the Constitution to further your ends.
45 posted on 06/18/2002 10:31:14 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Four MILLION conservatives did not vote, or voted third-party, or voted for GORE on 11/7/2000.

The "voted for Gore" group is a red herring. No matter how much someone protests that they are indeed conservative, voting for Gore indicates that they are either lying or not paying attention.

The third party voters should indicate that Bush's campaign alienated at least some of the base.

However, the vast majority of true conservatives I know voted for Bush.

Again, if the conservative stayed home, voted 3rd party, or voted for the more liberal candidate, then why isn't John McCain President?

Better yet, explain what campaign tactic Bush employed to win the SC and CA primaries, which pushed him on to nomination.

46 posted on 06/18/2002 10:31:20 AM PDT by Palmetto
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To: meyer
"I don't think we can expect a quick turn towards the constitutional government that we're supposed to have; its going to take time. Why? Because for the last 8 years, we've been heavily brainwashed with the socialism message from virtually all our learning institutions, the media, and our elected officials."

Fair enough...but things like farm subsidies, unconstitutional campaign finance reform, and now home down payment GRANTS for minorities is not even attempting a "turn". Yes, I admire most of his foreign policy; yes, I think he's prosecuting the war correctly; yes, I'm glad he's told the UN to shove it a few times; and yes, he's done some good domestic things. But he's also helped further the socialist agenda in a number of cases. I can understand not having a radical agenda, but could he please stop giving so much away?

47 posted on 06/18/2002 10:31:39 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: Poohbah
The constitution is already destroyed. Notice how the government never gets smaller.
48 posted on 06/18/2002 10:32:38 AM PDT by weikel
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To: BlueLancer
I think that analysis comes direct from the RNC, but I really do not accept that. There are several issues that appear centrist but would help push the Conservative agenda, like a temporary cut in the capital gains tax, just for example. There are enough Democrats who have to appeal to middle class voters who would support a 'temporary cut.'

In 2004, Bush could run on making the temporary cut permanent-- I am just spiffballing here as an armchair politician, but I can think of other issues like telecomm and biotech deregulation.

Marty Meehan, even here in Massachusetts, cannot afford to stand opposite Bush on the progress of those New Economy verticals.

49 posted on 06/18/2002 10:33:22 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: Poohbah
Four MILLION conservatives did not vote, or voted third-party, or voted for GORE on 11/7/2000.

In attempting to authenticate this figure, I scrolled through your responses on this forum for the last few days. I cannot find where you sourced this figure. Do you mind authenticating this figure for me?

As an aside: You are actively campaigning for the ignoring of the Conservative vote henceforth. This is certainly not conducive to the dominination of Conservative ideas and ideology, don't you agree?

50 posted on 06/18/2002 10:33:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Poohbah
Like I said, if the conservative base hadn't been in a state of permanent temper-tantrum since 1992, they'd have a few markers.

How absoutly true. And you see dozens of the ineffective temper tantrums here every day.

51 posted on 06/18/2002 10:33:40 AM PDT by billva
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To: Palmetto
Again, if the conservative stayed home, voted 3rd party, or voted for the more liberal candidate, then why isn't John McCain President?

Because I am talking about the general election, not the primaries.

And if only registered Republicans were allowed to vote in the general elections, then maybe you could point to primary results--but you can't.

52 posted on 06/18/2002 10:33:44 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: jimkress
You believe in Santa?
53 posted on 06/18/2002 10:34:22 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Lazamataz
Yes we have been saying that for months. GW is a good man being led astray by bad advisors who may have their own agenda. In the end, Bush takes the heat for blowing Conservatives out of the water.

Where are the men and women who want to:

1. Cut Taxes in a big way.

2. Cut Government spending and power.

3. End all abortions except when the mothers life is in danger.

4. Reject the homosexual agenda.

5. Reject environmental marxism.

6. Support Traditional Family Values.

7. Defend US borders, especially reinforcing the southern border to prevent mexicans and others from invading the USA.

8. Give back States Rights.

9. Tell the UN and Europe to take a hike. We do not need to align our country with those socialists/marxists.

10. Lend support to the First and Second Amendments of the Bill of Rights. For years, our rights have been trampled by Big Government and foolish groups that seek to ban anything offensive. Political Correctness and Big Brother can and have damanged liberty. Its time for a change.

54 posted on 06/18/2002 10:35:42 AM PDT by Barbara14
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To: Poohbah
I suppose you think the conservative base was energized to come out to the polls and vote against McCain in the semi's, but not Gore in the finals.
55 posted on 06/18/2002 10:36:30 AM PDT by Palmetto
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To: Barbara14
Other than Rove who are Bush's bad advisors. I think Cheney is much more conservative then he is.
56 posted on 06/18/2002 10:37:18 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Poohbah
And if only registered Republicans were allowed to vote in the general elections, then maybe you could point to primary results--but you can't.

Riiiiiiiiggghhhht....

It was the Democrat disruptors who won the primaries for Bush....

*backing slowly away from monitor*

57 posted on 06/18/2002 10:38:10 AM PDT by Palmetto
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To: Lazamataz
As an aside: You are actively campaigning for the ignoring of the Conservative vote henceforth. This is certainly not conducive to the dominination of Conservative ideas and ideology, don't you agree?

I am a "neo-con," which makes me a spawn-of-Satan RINO to the alleged base because I disagree with some details of their agenda, and they think that I should be stoned to death.

At some point, either the base can start acting like grownups and turn a few elections, or they should just shut up.

58 posted on 06/18/2002 10:38:19 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: JohnGalt
re: post #20. Not only unable, but unwilling.
59 posted on 06/18/2002 10:38:43 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: Lazamataz
Well, quite frankly, when the conservatives have been less-than-supportive (they had a LOT lower turnout than they expected from a segment of the base), they'll look elsewhere for the votes.

Don't be surprised if they look elsewhere for votes when you stay home or don't vote.

60 posted on 06/18/2002 10:38:43 AM PDT by hchutch
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