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To: DTA; bluester; Hoplite
Western media resembles Brezhnev's Pravda and Izvestya

I was going to bring this up when Hoplite brought up the credibility of ICDSM.

People have posted recent Pravda articles that were more factual than the Western press.  And not just about the Balkans but in general.

It's depressing quite frankly.  However, this is the battleground for FreeRepubic.com and the Washington Post and LA Times and others know it.  Who will control the levers of the press.  The Bloggers (essentially FR members) or the Western Media-Matrix that is now under an oligarchy of ownership.

The Newark Star Ledger, essentially my local paper, has an 800,000 subscriber list and sells over 1 million papers including non-subscribers.  It is the 800 pound guerilla of news in NJ.  The most they have done with respect to the Milosevic trial is reprint the AP story of the day if that.

I've made note a number of times that my grandparents all came from Ireland and I really had little interest or knowledge about the Balkans until Beelzebubba started to threaten Yugoslavia with bombing.  During the bombing campaign, I felt like I was participating in history as we deconstructed everything Gen. Clark, Albright, Cohen and of course Clinton and Blair had to say.  Real time proof of bald faced lies!

What was surreal for me then was the thought of the baby boomers (I'm Gen X) running the press outlets that outright backed the bombing and uncritically presented the lies.  This includes the BBC (What my Ireland born wife likes to call "The real news").  These were the same people out on college campuses protesting the war in Vietnam.  Robert McNamara, defense secretary for Kennedy and Johnson, published his book, In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam in 1996, in which he reveals he was a traitorous liar (how he walks around in public I'll never understand) and not only allowed US service members to die but pushed them to their death.  Given these revelations, you would think the baby boomers writing the articles and questioning the government (Remember "Question Authority") would have been more circumspect.

Alas, it is up to us DTA.

40 posted on 06/22/2002 9:09:20 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Incorrigible
People have posted recent Pravda articles that were more factual than the Western press.

Which ones? Those written by Justin Raimondo?

Seriously, could you bring one of these articles to my attention here?

44 posted on 06/22/2002 3:36:25 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Incorrigible
"What was surreal for me then was the thought of the baby boomers (I'm Gen X) running the press outlets that outright backed the bombing and uncritically presented the lies."

Not all "boomers" are bald faced hypocritical liars, but if I was gen x i might think otherwise. THIS boomer did everything possible (including temporarily suspending 2 websites and posting the news that was excluded) and losing friends trying to wake people up to the fact that the US was bombing a people and a country that had done them no wrong. So think twice next time, before you generalize, as I met countless gen x and gen y(or whatever they are) that could have cared less what was going on. Ever watch MTV?

"Robert McNamara, defense secretary for Kennedy and Johnson, published his book, In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam in 1996, in which he reveals he was a traitorous liar (how he walks around in public I'll never understand) and not only allowed US service members to die but pushed them to their death."

Even when the evil wolf came out of his dark slimy closet and spilled his guts(figuratively of course, he let his fellow countrymen do it for real) many if not most, who supported this immoral war STILL DO and still are angry at the protestors, which of course ol Macnamara himself proved were on the correct side. It's beyond amazing, its sickening.

"you would think the baby boomers writing the articles and questioning the government (Remember "Question Authority") would have been more circumspect."

(almost)EVERYONE has sold out. If you don't have at least 2 homes that you don't live in fulltime you havn't made it yet, and so you had better do as your (sold out) editor instructs. By the way, I'd bet you could come up with a few examples of "sold out" amongst the gen x'rs if you really tried.

48 posted on 06/23/2002 2:43:36 AM PDT by botweiler
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To: Incorrigible
Very thoughtful post. Thank you.
51 posted on 06/23/2002 6:25:13 AM PDT by getoffmylawn
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