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To: okchemyst
I can take the insults, as long as they are in the context of a debate on a topic. I have little interest in debates which strictly involve insults.
26 posted on 06/20/2002 5:09:20 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: TheDon
I don't have a dog in this hunt. I am not interested in debating this issue, and neither is Walt, Non-S, Illbay, Ditto, X, etc. I and they know that neither side will change any minds by means either persuasive or pejorative.

It's not a big deal to me that they think Lincoln was a minor deity. I used to like devilled ham, too, but I got over it. The issue I have is that the pro-Lincoln faction always comes on here with sneering condescension toward anyone who does not share their view. Southerners are all crackers, slack jawed yokels, hicks, cousin-f***in, banjo playing morons. Anyone who displays the slightest hint of reverence or respect toward a dead Confederate soldier is ridiculed, called a "venerator of losers", racists, supporters of slavery, etc.

In that sense, your characterization of these threads as a debate, per se, is inaccurate. This is an electronic shouting match in which both sides trot out their pet quotes and belittle each other. I have been dragged into that, and I have done my share of belittling. It's really distracting and takes away from my rereading of Shelby Foote and Paul Johnson's History of the American People.(Go ahead, Walt and Non-S, tell me those aren't viable sources).

Thus, I'm going to stop and return to that pursuit. I have done lots of family history research and have stood at the graves of uncles, cousins, grandfathers, etc, that died in that war. It's disgusting to hear them called "perpetual losers" or "slave holding sons of bitches", or to read the sentiments that they "deserved to die" as traitors, or hopes that they are "rotting in hell".

One of the great physicists of the "Golden Era", perhaps De Broglie, said something to the effect that no theory gains acceptance because its opponents are suddenly converted to it, but rather because the opponents gradually die off and a new generation arises that has grown up with it.

28 posted on 06/20/2002 6:52:37 PM PDT by Treebeard
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To: TheDon
i'd have to side with the others on this, don, it seems that you threw the first insult in your "debating"...

although maryland was never a union state, but a borderstate forced to remaining loyal by submission...

as for lincoln, our state song says it best... "maryland my maryland" ...
35 posted on 06/20/2002 8:48:37 PM PDT by teeman8r
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