[Grut]

I find this argument laughable coming from the slave holding states.

The southern states were right about self-determination and wrong about Blacks. Americans are now up to speed on the idea that Blacks are people, and as a result we can say that they too have lost on self-determination as a result of Union actions.

[pjsmith]

"The southern states were right about self-determination and wrong about Blacks."

Really? Ever been to Washington D.C.? Ever seen Al Sharpton? ;)

And do I need to mention crime statistics?

Undoubtedly slavery was morally wrong, but does anything get better after being "diversimyfied"? Is America a better, safer, healthier society today than in 1965, when it was over 90% European-American?