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The Fire This Time [treehuggers and the Colo. fire]
Wall St. Journal ^ | June 21, 2002 | Editorial

Posted on 06/21/2002 2:09:36 AM PDT by The Raven

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In December 1995, a storm hit the Six Rivers National Forest in northern California, tossing dead trees across 35,000 acres and creating dangerous fire conditions. For three years local U.S. Forest Service officials labored to clean it up, but they were blocked by environmental groups and federal policy. In 1999 the time bomb blew: A fire roared over the untreated land and 90,000 more acres.


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So the environmentalists know best? "Just leave it alone, nature will take its course," they say.

Once again, we [the nation] yield to new ideas and we get the opposite result.

The article didn't mention air pollution, but there's been a lot of it. as well as destruction of life forms.

1 posted on 06/21/2002 2:09:36 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: The Raven
Public lands are not an investment, especially to the eco wackos. Just let em burn; the taxpayers will take care of it.
2 posted on 06/21/2002 2:26:25 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: The Raven
The environmentalist wackos have it half right: the best practice would be to let the forests burn, if the forests were the same as they were historically.

Before clear-cut logging, the Western ponderosa pine forest consisted of a few widely spaced large trees, with grass and low brush in between. Ground fires swept through all the time, burning off the underbrush and most young pine trees. The few that survived became the large "mother" trees of the next generation. These large mature trees were practically impervious to brush fires.

Around the turn of the century, most of these healthy forests were clear-cut, and the trees regrew in unhealthy clusters of "jack pines." These spindly, overcrowded thickets of immature pines grew under a policy of 100% fire suppression by the Forest Service until very recently.

The mature trees we see today are packed much closer together than they should be, and are susceptible to "crowning", when the fire jumps from ground to treetops. This should not happen in a normal pine forest.

A policy of non-suppression requires that the overcrowded forest be thinned out dramatically, to just a few large trees per acre. But the environmentalist wackos prevented the Forest Service from doing this, thinking it would save such huggable animals as the Mexican spotted owl. The terrible fires in recent years are the fruit of their ignorance and obstinacy. Millions of acres of habitat are now moonscape.

-ccm

3 posted on 06/21/2002 2:51:41 AM PDT by ccmay
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To: ccmay
The econuts have a not really hidden agenda to drive humans into densely crowded city centers as in Hong Kong and leave the rest of the country to go to some "natural state". These fires are good in their eyes and want to keep going along the same course. They hate the whole thing that is modern America. Luddite econuts they are.
4 posted on 06/21/2002 3:09:51 AM PDT by Thebaddog
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To: The Raven; Carry_Okie
We now see the results. Millions of acres are choked with dead wood, infected trees and underbrush. Many areas have more than 400 tons of dry fuel per acre -- 10 times the manageable level. This is tinder that turns small fires into infernos, outrunning fire control and killing every fuzzy endangered animal in sight

FReeper Carry_Okie said it better in his book, Natural Process:

In many of these areas, after nearly 100 years since their initial logging, these sprouted trees have yet to be thinned. Competition for light has caused many to be thin and unbalanced. The branches of a 100' tree can be an average of two to three feet long, layered down the trunk like shingles. They sway in the winds, bash into adjacent clones, and drop massive amounts of dead groth that can pile four feet high in the middle of the stump cluster. Numerous, dead, or stunted sprouts shoot out of the outside of the base of the cluster at severe angles, dropping branches to the duff, providing a fire ladder inton the canopy. Lower branches die for lack of light, hanging like a tangled web of matches bare of bark. Some of the smaller trees eventually die and remain standing for years, leaning on their competitors. To the trained eye, it looks much like a funeral pyre. You look, and then you look away, It hurts.

5 posted on 06/21/2002 4:26:56 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: The Raven
You aren't kidding, there's been a lot of air pollution as a result of this fire.

Don't forget the Fri. night WSJ editorial board program on CNBC.
6 posted on 06/21/2002 4:30:46 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Thebaddog; The Raven

7 posted on 06/21/2002 4:32:40 AM PDT by uglybiker
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To: snopercod; ccmay
Excellent posts !! Thank you.
8 posted on 06/21/2002 5:05:25 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: The Raven
bttt
9 posted on 06/21/2002 6:27:33 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: mafree
Ping for a bit more on the forest management thing.
10 posted on 06/21/2002 6:32:36 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: snopercod
Thanks for posting this excerpt. I'm currently in the process of purchasing his book, and this passage is exciting.
11 posted on 06/21/2002 6:53:58 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: EggsAckley
The whole book is exciting, but I must warn you. Reading it is like drinking from a fire-hose filled with new ideas.
12 posted on 06/21/2002 8:53:09 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: The Raven
Bump to the top!

I have a neighbor with 7 acres of under developed fir. You know the kind, 4 of five trees to a 10 x 10 area. Thin, unstable and bearing the "ladder" of dead branches from the ground to just before top. Weaker trees have died and rest in peace leaning against the sick but alive. Dead fallen branches litter the floor creating a layer of kindling. Trees regularly fall, roots and all due to the lack of spacing. This is an unhealthy, fire prone mess. The wildlife can't even get around, save the millions of rabbits. The deer much prefer my land as I have managed it to maximize tree growth as well as the "undergrowth".

Does my neighbor not care? No, he would love to get in there and clear out some trees and build a home. You know, on his land, the American dream and all. He would love to create a healthy "ecosystem" that he is apart of. But, alas he has a low spot on his property, about a 30 x 20 area that holds water 4 months a year at about 1/2" to 1" deep (this is Washington!). It is a wetlands, so no action can be taken on this property, though he must keep his taxes paid. We would not want to disturb the.....frogs I guess.

Yea it is a regular natural beauty, not! I can only hope that when this Natural Forest (read tinder box) goes up the winds are blowing in the other direction and my kids are not at home.

14 posted on 06/21/2002 9:28:03 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: Issaquahking
Ping
15 posted on 06/21/2002 9:32:42 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: BillinDenver
The Wall Street Journal doesn't know what it's talking about. How could they. They're in New York City, somewhere.

The reason Colorado - and now, half of Arizona!!! - are a lethal inferno, is because we have nothing to put the fires out with, except for dated, World War 2 planes that break apart in the sky.

As a result,every tiny little man-made fire (woman-made, in these instances!) becomes a 100,000 acre monster that destroys everything.

Shame on our government for purposely ignoring the needs of the American People, while spending all their hard-earned tax-dollars on foreign nations that not only don't need our help, but actually hate us for giving it!

16 posted on 06/21/2002 9:36:15 AM PDT by katya8
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To: BillinDenver
The problem is if you "let em burn" like what is happening in NE Ariz...you get fires so hot that they sterilize the soil..nothing will grow there for years.
17 posted on 06/21/2002 9:48:15 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: BillinDenver
The problem is that this type of fire is not natural. In nature you would not have years of built up debris and closely planted trees. When we first came west on average there were 5 or 15 trees to an acre. Large healthy trees that could withstand the common small fires that took care of the weak and the undergrowth. Then fires were common and small. The open areas created were food sources and many of these open fields existed inside the densest of forest. Now that we have allow the system to become clogged we have to go in to thin and manage. We then continue the process by select and clear cutting and allow the natural small fires. After we replant an area we have to be able to go in and thin, it is not only important for the trees but for the animals. Bottom line is that humans are apart of the ecosystem and must take an active roll both for our success and the success of the forest. The problem is that we began with an extreme and now we have allowed the extreme on the other end of the spectrum to take over.
19 posted on 06/21/2002 11:46:17 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: CyberCowboy777
Cowboy you are 100% correct. What the communists(greenies and U.N.) couldn't steal, they destroy through (mis)management.
20 posted on 06/21/2002 6:02:33 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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