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To: robowombat
Withdrawal to any pre-1967 borders would be suicidal. One day, if you're ever in Israel, hire a guide to take you on a tour of the Golan Heights. This is technically Syrian terrirory, seized by Israel in the 1967 war. It's never been relinquished.

On your tour of the Golan Heights, you'll notice how the whole city of Jerusalem is spread out beneath you, and what a wonderful view you have. Then try imagining that you are a forward observer for a Syrian artillery brigade, ready to train down death and destruction on a million Jewish civilians.

Israel must never give up the Golan Heights and it must never give up the West Bank.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Kill the terrorists' families.

We saw them celebrating, laughing, cheering, rejoicing in their dirt streets, on the day the World Trade Center was destroyed. Let's give them something to cry about.

The firebombing of Berlin, Dresden, Hamburg, Kiel, Bremen, Tokyo, Osaka, Kobe and a dozen other German and Japanese cities, gutting them and inflicting 800,000 civilian casualties, was ordered by Franklin D. Roosevelt, a Democrat.

The use of nuclear weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki, causing 115,000 civilian deaths, was ordered by Harry Truman, a Democrat.

The carpet-bombing of Hanoi, causing over 100,000 civilian casualties, was ordered by Lyndon Baines Johnson, a Democrat. Johnson also gave the orders that started the Phoenix Program, in which Viet Cong sympathizers and thousands of their family members were assassinated.

What I propose is a carefully targeted series of actions against no more than 80 civilians. There were 19 terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. Four members of each family should be sufficient to send a very clear message to those contemplating future attacks against us. Total war, and the killing of innocent civilians, wouldn't be a first for the United States. The Democratic Party led the way in the mass killing of over a million civilians.

Of course, in each of those wars, we were not the first to bomb civilians simply for the sake of bombing civilians. The Germans mercilessly pounded London and Coventry, and the Japanese did the same to Nanking.

But it was Americans, on the orders of Democratic presidents, who turned it into a science.

American meteorologists carefully tracked the weather conditions over central Germany and they successfully predicted an "air inversion" over the city of Dresden. This unique weather system would multiply the effectiveness of fire-bombing exponentially. The results of that bombing were dramatized in Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut.

And then, of course, there was the atomic bomb. And the other atomic bomb.

We have faced suicidal enemies before. I've often drawn a comparison between the Al-Qaeda jihadi and the Japanese kamikaze. They are eager to die for the sake of victory. They are taught that to destroy themselves while killing large numbers of Americans is a guaranteed ticket to paradise.

The Japanese, the Germans and even the Italians sent men on missions during World War II that were, for all practical purposes, suicidal. These were fanatical enemies and the length of time these nations resisted before surrendering was an accurate yardstick of their fanaticism.

The Italians quit early. Germany and especially Japan were more tenacious. We firebombed and gutted their cities. We killed over four million of them, both combatants and civilians. Every factory and shipyard was reduced to rubble. Every ship they had larger than a destroyer was either crippled or sunk.

At the end of it all, Japan stood alone. We had dozens of aircraft carriers cruising up and down the Japanese coast, launching airstrikes and pounding everything that moved. We brought in over 1000 heavy bombers to pound everything that didn't move. Fresh from defeating Germany, the Royal Navy sent a dozen aircraft carriers of its own from the Atlantic to join in.

Still the Japanese refused our constant demands for surrender.

Then we nuked them. And they still didn't surrender.

Then we nuked them again. Then they surrendered.

I'm not advocating nuclear warfare against Muslim nations, or the indiscriminate firebombing of hundreds of thousands of civilians, as three different Democratic presidents ordered in other wars. That would be simply too barbaric.

But today Germany, Italy and Japan are among our most reliable allies. They are rebuilt. They are industrialized and they enjoy high standards of living. In particular, Japan was controlled by suicidal warriors who had sworn to destroy us, who were eager to die for the sake of victory.

But we convinced them to surrender. There were two things that we did to achieve this goal. First, we extracted a price that even a suicidal warrior was unwilling to pay for victory. Second, we made it apparent that even after paying such a dreadful price, victory was impossible for him.

We know who the suicidal terrorists of 9/11 were and we know where they lived. Fourteen of the 19 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, a nation that is purportedly friendly with us. This is suggested not as punishment for the families of terrorists, even though they may hate America just as much as their sons did on 9/11. This is suggested solely as a deterrent against future terrorism.

We must extract a price that they are unwilling to pay.

NEVER, EVER FORGET

27 posted on 06/21/2002 12:15:55 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan
Withdrawal to any pre-1967 borders would be suicidal. One day, if you're ever in Israel, hire a guide to take you on a tour of the Golan Heights. This is technically Syrian terrirory, seized by Israel in the 1967 war. It's never been relinquished.

On your tour of the Golan Heights, you'll notice how the whole city of Jerusalem is spread out beneath you, and what a wonderful view you have. Then try imagining that you are a forward observer for a Syrian artillery brigade, ready to train down death and destruction on a million Jewish civilians.

Israel must never give up the Golan Heights and it must never give up the West Bank.

Your right about Golan for the precise reasons you describe (actually it's all of Israel that can be seen) but wrong about the West Bank. There's no such compelling strategic reason for Israel to have to keep it.

Intentionally killing innocent people for the actions of their relatives is what communists and other criminals do.

-Eric

30 posted on 06/21/2002 1:00:11 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Bryan
It really pains me to agree with you, but it seems the only fitting response is indeed to kill the families of the bombers. It is the only measure I can think of that would make a bomber think twice before he goes on his mission. It would create a profound barrier between those who indoctrinate/equip and the bombers themselves. Even if they did believe Jews were the enemies of all that is good and right in the world, would they sacrifice their whole families as easily as they sacrifice themselves? The families clearly share responsibility for the creation of an environment where such behavior is not only acceptable but celebrated.
36 posted on 06/21/2002 2:05:33 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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