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Protecting Liberty in a Permanent War
Cato Institute ^ | June 21, 2002 | Ted Galen Carpenter

Posted on 06/21/2002 2:58:14 PM PDT by Dawgsquat

With the detention of Jose Padilla (aka Abdullah al-Mujahir), the Bush administration has made an extraordinary assertion of power. It is sweeping and unnerving. The administration contends that, by merely designating a person as an "enemy combatant," the government can hold him in prison without according him a trial. Indeed, the government does not have to charge him with any criminal offense, much less present evidence of an offense. That is true even if the person in question is an American citizen and is apprehended on American soil.

Civil libertarians are justifiably alarmed at such an ominous shadow over the constitutional rights of all Americans. But there is another aspect that has received less attention even though it is equally alarming. It is a truism that civil liberties have suffered in most of America's wars. But in all of those earlier episodes there was a certainty that the conflict would end someday. A peace treaty would be signed, or the enemy country would either surrender or be conquered. In other words, America would someday return to normal and civil liberties would be restored and repaired.

The war against terrorism is different. Because the struggle is against a shadowy network of adversaries rather than a nation state, it is virtually impossible even to speculate when it might end. President Bush's initial comment that it might last "a year or two" was long ago consigned to the discard pile.

Indeed, it is not clear how victory itself would be defined. Even if the war is confined to combating al-Qaeda, there is no way to confirm at any point that the organization's operatives have been neutralized. The concept of victory becomes more elusive if the goal is the eradication of all terrorism from the planet, as administration officials have sometimes hinted. That is a guaranteed blueprint for perpetual war.

Nor would the mere prolonged absence of attacks on American targets be definitive evidence of victory. How long a period of quiescence would be enough? A year? Five years? Ten years? The reality is that no president would want to risk proclaiming victory in the war on terrorism only to have another terrorist attack occur on his watch. The political consequences of such a gaffe would be dire indeed. (For similar reasons, the color-coded warning system adopted by the Office of Homeland Security will likely never go below yellow). The safe political course would be always to emphasize the need for continuing struggle and vigilance.

In short, America is now waging a permanent war. That reality makes civil liberties considerations even more important than in previous conflicts. Whatever constitutional rights are taken from us (or that we choose to relinquish) will not be restored after a few years. In all likelihood, they will be gone forever.

We therefore need to ask whether we want to give not only the current president but also his unknown successors in the decades to come the awesome power that President Bush has claimed. It is chilling to realize that the president is insisting that all he must do is invoke the magical incantation "enemy combatant" and an American citizen can be stripped of his most fundamental constitutional rights without any meaningful scrutiny by the judicial branch. A place where that is possible is not the America we have known. It is not an America that we should want to know.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: liberty; terrorism; war
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1 posted on 06/21/2002 2:58:17 PM PDT by Dawgsquat
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To: Dawgsquat
They're Muslims trying to destroy our country. They don't have rights.
2 posted on 06/21/2002 3:01:59 PM PDT by Gurn
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To: Dawgsquat
The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey - undiluted and untaxed. - Sen. Sam J. Ervin, proving that every once in awhile (like once or maybe twice per generation), even a Democrat can make sense.

The road to Damnocratic hell is paved with Republican't good intentions.
3 posted on 06/21/2002 3:04:19 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: BluesDuke
Hi Blues!

I'm a bit disturbed by this part:

That is true even if the person in question is an American citizen and is apprehended on American soil.

4 posted on 06/21/2002 3:07:51 PM PDT by Dawgsquat
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To: Dawgsquat
Hey Dawg!

That part is troubling to a good many of us. And I have noticed discomfort enough on the right over that very premise, i.e. it's one thing to capture and hold Taliban Johnny Lindh, who went to Afghanistan and all but renounced his American root, but something else entirely involving an American citizen. And I think this will be a topic that will (should) be debated ceaselessly.
5 posted on 06/21/2002 3:11:44 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: BluesDuke
I agree. Every American has a right to his day in court. At least they used to.
6 posted on 06/21/2002 3:14:02 PM PDT by Dawgsquat
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To: Dawgsquat
"the awesome power that President Bush has claimed"

He misses the most important point: Congress gave him this power.

"...authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.
...the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."

It is quite forseeable that once the present transnational terrorists are broken up that congress will rescind this authority from the president.
Congress gets no benefit from it, in fact it strengthenss the Executive Branch at congress's expense.

What comes next, if anything, is an interesting question.

7 posted on 06/21/2002 3:14:30 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Dawgsquat
Unlike Lincoln did, Bush did not suspend the writ of habeas corpus, which affords Padilla (or anyone else in similar circumstances) to secure a judicial review of whether the President's determination that he was an unlawful combatant was reasonable. This is good enough for even such left - liberals as Laurence Tribe, it should be good enough for the libertarians at Cato.
8 posted on 06/21/2002 3:15:38 PM PDT by thucydides
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To: thucydides
Yes, people keep ignoring that Padilla has a habeas corpus petition pending.
Findlaw has a link to his amended habeas corpus petition filed Wednesday: HERE (it's a PDF file).
9 posted on 06/21/2002 3:25:55 PM PDT by mrsmith
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"authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States. ...the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."

This is merely authorization to use force. It has nothing to do with prosecuting those that may be complicit. I assume force to mean military force.

10 posted on 06/21/2002 3:34:52 PM PDT by Dawgsquat
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To: Gurn
They're Muslims trying to destroy our country. They don't have rights.

How do you know that they are trying to destroy our country without evidence? The assertion of power is an outrage. According to the President, the executive branch can label someone an enemy combatant and he thereby loses all his rights. Padilla has a lawyer now only because he was a regular prisoner for a month. Under this new rule, he would just disappear. No lawyer would know about his predicament and would not know to help him.

To make this legal, congress would have to define just what makes you an enemy combatant and then there would have to be a jury trial to judge if the facts supported the charge. Without that, this is kidnapping.

11 posted on 06/21/2002 3:47:55 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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Another thing disturbs me. Why does Moussaoui (not a citizen) get his day in court yet Padilla (a citizen) does not?
12 posted on 06/21/2002 3:54:11 PM PDT by Dawgsquat
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To: Dawgsquat
To paraphrase Archie Bunker : " Aw Jeez ! "

Let me see if I've got this right:
An American citizen travels to a foreign country;
undergoes military/terrorist training (thereby forfeiting his American citizenship);
returns to the USA with the stated intention of doing harm.

Whatinhell does that make him ? A victim ???

13 posted on 06/21/2002 3:54:20 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey
An American citizen travels to a foreign country; undergoes military/terrorist training (thereby forfeiting his American citizenship);

Could you cite me the law which revoked his citizenship? I'm not familiar with it.

14 posted on 06/21/2002 4:02:58 PM PDT by Dawgsquat
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To: Dawgsquat
Good question ! I believe the laws of Treason would cover it.It is not necessary that there be a declared state of war-(there were 2 treason convictions during the so-called Whiskey Rebellion ); but generally, the statutes provide that a person "owing allegiance" to the U.S., who levies war against the US,or adheres to the enemies of the US, or gives aid and support to the enemies of the US is guilty of treason.

I may have mis-spoken in my original response : confusing US statutes with the Uniform Code of Military Justice-( which provides for dishonorable discharge and other penalties for a military member who serves in the military of another country without consent.

15 posted on 06/21/2002 4:34:22 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: Dawgsquat
We therefore need to ask whether we want to give not only the current president but also his unknown successors in the decades to come the awesome power that President Bush has claimed

I think some people need to imagine HillaryBeast with this power before they say that it's hunky-dory.

16 posted on 06/21/2002 4:34:47 PM PDT by alpowolf
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To: genefromjersey
Perhaps, but he would have to be convicted in order to strip him of his citizenship. He hasn't been convicted.
17 posted on 06/21/2002 4:41:12 PM PDT by Dawgsquat
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To: mrsmith
Congress can go to hell. They can't "give" the president jack squat when it is EXPLICIT that he can not deny the writ. If he is on American soil, he is protected by the Constitution, if he is a US Citizen, he is protected by the constitution...that's it nothing else...everything else is unconstitutional...read it, it is in black and white NOT GREY

Just like they can't "give" him the trade authority. WE said it was a Congressional Power.

Hey, if the guy is guilty of sedition, treason, etc... great!!! Fry him or whatever, but do it the right way!!!

I sware...which I shouldn't...people need to think for themselves and quit relying on other's version of the information!
18 posted on 06/21/2002 4:41:18 PM PDT by borntodiefree
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To: Gurn
Though I think Muslim's are going to hell, that does not make them criminals. Only action or proven attempted action, which seems to be the case here, is a crime.

However, in your terms, your an American who's government is hell bent on destroying Iraq, so you have no rights...is that what your saying....I didn't think so....
19 posted on 06/21/2002 4:44:23 PM PDT by borntodiefree
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To: Dawgsquat
"I assume force to mean military force. "

Correct- that's the point!
Padilla could not be held as a military detainee if military force hadn't been authorized by the congress.

20 posted on 06/21/2002 4:57:57 PM PDT by mrsmith
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