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To: genefromjersey
I would rather think so-IF-you went to another country,joined a group dedicated to terrorism, and undertook training designed to harm your native land.

So, if you even think about a crime against the gov't, you don't have any rights. However, if you perpetrate a crime against a non-gov't citizen, then you have every protection under the law

If three people get together and discuss how to repel ATF agents, are they combatants?

Remember, Padilla only received training. That is his crime. The gov't does not have anything on the guy, that is why he is being held without charge, trial, or representation - in COMPLETE violation of most of the Bill of Rights.

THAT'S OK!!! OUR GUYS ARE RUNNING THE SHOW, SO DONT MESS WITH US!!

When the next Dem takes office, and some crackpot blows up an abortion mill, I'm going to weep for all my fellow conservatives who are rounded up under the very laws we are pulling out of thin air. Don't think it will happen? We have already arrested some preacher for reading his bible on public property, in the vicinity of an abortion mill.

Keep cheering on our JBT gov't. It's OK, because "we" are the JBTs.

57 posted on 06/22/2002 11:16:21 AM PDT by Orion
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To: Orion
It's well to declaim :

To what avail
The plow or sail
Or land, or life
If Freedom fail ?

John Donne's sentiments are indeed worthwhile; but I feel constrained to add:

And yet
Should Freedom's castle fall
I fear we'd have
No rights at all !

59 posted on 06/22/2002 12:37:24 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: Orion
We are in the clintonesque era that equates thinking about something, or reading about something to actually DOING whatever we read or thought about. The aforesaid ATF equates having the parts required to convert a semi-auto rifle into a full-auto "machinegun" to actually posessing the dreaded "machinegun". This is right out of Orwell and it scares the hell out of me! However, if the govt can prove that Padilla is a traitor, he should be stood up against a wall and shot. Treason is one of the few crimes actually mentioned in our Constitution, and traitors should be executed!
68 posted on 06/22/2002 3:49:35 PM PDT by jsraggmann
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