Conservatives, Cut Bush Slack

The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 22, 2002 | Thomas Roeser

[Lazamataz]

That parody wasn't the only one and Howlin wasn't and isn't the only target.

I do not approve of the misuse of his talent in this way.

[Free Vulcan]

His task is formidable: slow down the liberal leviathan.

And CFR does this how?

[Reagan Man]

I didn't support the farm bill and consider it corporate welfare. I believe many of the beneficiaries will be the giant farming conglomerates. OTOH, don't you think most medium and small size farms are owned by conservative Republicans? I do. Was it a pure political decision by PresBush? Sure. But even PresReagan signed a farm bill that produced pretty much the same policy. All presidents sign such bills, because its good politics. In that regard, its a principled decision, just not one I agree with. Farming is also an issue related to foreign competition and the price controls that are placed on imports of American mechandise, by those governments of foreign nations.

[Sabertooth]

I can vouch for it. I have seen at least one.

Fair enough. I haven't seen them, so I won't comment on the validity of your conclusions one way or another.

[Amelia]

I've seen them as well. If past experience is true, if links were given, they would instantly disappear.

[Lazamataz]

The one about Howlin was not pretty. Reg is a great guy and this sort of stuff only dilutes his moral high-ground.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

I was going to ask for evidence and links. Should I bother?

If you are challenging my honesty, that is your choice.

I would rather not turn this thread into a focus on the graphics. Maybe I'll consider freepmailing you the links.

I'll think about it. But, as I said......I've experienced a mysterious vanishing act when this type of circumstance has arisen in the past.

[Sir Gawain]

Where dat?

[Lazamataz]

I'm not going to post it. You can ask if Howlin wishes to share it with you.

[Sir Gawain]

Your marxist jpeg? FR mail it.

[Sabertooth]

If you are challenging my honesty, that is your choice.

No, I just ask for evidence when I see a statement like that.

Since several witnesses have spoken up, I'll take you all at your word on the objective fact that the graphics existed.

I'll withhold a subjective opinion as to their content, since I didn't see them.

[Lazamataz]

I'll withhold a subjective opinion as to their content, since I didn't see them.

Sabe, you and I seem to be of the same intellect, mindset and objectivism.

So I hope I lend a little credibility when I say that it was not pretty.

[MJY1288]

"Your posts are so filled with invective, bile, and complete mistatements that I see no meaningful benefit to any interchange with you whatsoever."

Actually Laz, I think Kevin was spot on, you have at least 300 post on this thread alone and Kevin made a very fitting summary of your contributions. But I guess we could always take a vote

[Free Vulcan]

So let me see, it's a good principled decision because it's good politics? And how can that possibly translate into good policy? And then why should I have a problem with Bill Clinton and his 8 years? On that note, it would seem bad politics to cater to large corporate farms if the medium and small farmer makes up your core constituency. How then could the farm bill have been a political decision?

Reagan may have signed a bill similar in structure, but not similar in magnitude and complexity. I know, my mother has worked for the FSA since '87, and she can tell you that this bill dwarfs in magnitude and complexity over even what we got now, much less '87.

You are missing my point. What did we conservatives gain from the Farm Bill? NOTHING. We gained absolutely nothing. Compromise is walking away with half a loaf, capitulation is walking away with nothing. And we walked away with nothing. How does this advance conservatism?

As far as the farm issue, it is based on added value agriculture, which is where we need to put our eggs, not on subsidization, which does nothing but keep the current problems alive.

[Lazamataz]

HAH! A vote! LOL!

Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity (argumentum ad populum)

Definition: A proposition is held to be true because it is widely held to be true or is held to be true by some sector of the population.

This fallacy is sometimes also called the "Appeal to Emotion" because emotional appeals often sway the population as a whole.

Examples:
(i) If you were beautiful, you could live like this, so buy Buty-EZ and become beautiful. (Here, the appeal is to the "beautiful people".)
(ii) Polls suggest that the Liberals will form a majority government, so you may as well vote for them.
(iii) Lots of my friends say that Kevin Curry is right when he spewed a lot of invective, bile, and complete mistatements about Lazamataz, so it must be true.

References: Copi and Cohen: 103, Davis: 62

[Amelia]

IMO, Kevin's post could have been made less crudely, but I agree with the general premises he stated.

[Registered]

My ears are ringing...what's going on?

[Lazamataz]

IMO, Kevin's post could have been made less crudely, but I agree with the general premises he stated.

I couldn't penetrate the crudity or the incorrect and scurrilous claim that I am pro-drug, so I read no further.

[Reagan Man]

I'm not disagreeing with you. Clean out your eyes or clean off your monitor screen. I've already told you, I didn't support it and was very clear about that. But that doesn't change the politics of the decision. Its my opinion that most small businesses are owned by conservatives and conservative minded people in general. Many of these people are Reagan Republicans (in the 80`s Reagan Democrats) and these small businesses include what was once called "the family farm". No, it doesn't fit the agenda of conservatism, but not everything in politics and governing does all the time.

[Lazamataz]

My ears are ringing...what's going on?

Two things are happening:

1) We are not permitted to entertain any criticism of G.W. Bush, and we are instructed to get back into ranks.

2) I was agreeing with some other people that you are misusing your incredible talents when you use them to parody people on this forum.