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New Technology For Catching Liars (LETS start with Media and Sentate,Congress)
Associated Press ^ | June 21, 2002, | By CHRISTOPHER NEWTON

Posted on 06/22/2002 7:39:11 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian

New Technology For Catching Liars

By CHRISTOPHER NEWTON

Associated Press Writer

June 21, 2002,

WASHINGTON -- The world is becoming a trickier place for people who tell lies -- even little white ones.

From thermal-imaging cameras, designed to read guilty eyes, to brain-wave scanners, which essentially watch a lie in motion, the technology of truth-seeking is leaping forward.

At the same time, more people are finding their words put to the test, especially those who work for the government.

FBI agents, themselves subjected to more polygraphs as a result of the Robert Hanssen spy case, have been administering lie detection tests at Fort Detrick, Md., and Dugway Proving Ground in Utah, bases with stores of anthrax. Nuclear plant workers also are getting the tests in greater numbers since Sept. 11.

"There has been a reawakening of our interest in being able to determine the truth from each other," said sociologist Barbara Hetnick, who teaches a course on lying at Wooster College. "As technology advances, we may have to decide whether we want to let a machine decide guilt or innocence."

The new frontiers of lie detection claim to offer greater reliability than the decades-old polygraph, which measures heart and respiratory rates as a person answers questions.

They also pose new privacy problems, moral dilemmas and the possibility that the average person will unwittingly face a test.

At the Mayo Clinic, researchers hope to perfect a heat-sensing camera that could scan people's faces and find subtle changes associated with lying. In a small study of 20 people, the high-resolution thermal imaging camera detected a faint blushing around the eyes of those who lied.

The technique, still preliminary, could provide a simple and rapid way of scanning people being questioned at airports or border crossings, researchers say.

But would it be legal?

"As long as no one was being arrested or detained solely on the basis of the test, there is no law against scanning someone's face with a device," said Justin Hammerstein, a civil liberties attorney in New York.

"You could use the device to subject someone to greater scrutiny in a physical search or background check, and it would be hard to argue that it is illegal."

Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil Liberties Union said any technology that isn't 100 percent effective could lead unfairly to innocent travelers being stranded at airports.

"You would be introducing chaos into the situation and inevitably focusing on people who are innocent," Steinhardt said.

At the University of Pennsylvania, researcher Daniel Langleben is using a magnetic resonance imaging machine, the device used to detect tumors, to identify parts of the brain that people use when they lie.

"In the brain, you never get something for nothing," Langleben said. "The process for telling a lie is more complicated than telling the truth, resulting in more neuron activity."

Even for the smoothest-talker, lying is tough work for the brain.

First, the liar must hear the question and process it. Almost by instinct, a liar will first think of the true answer before devising or speaking an already devised false answer.

All that thinking adds up to a lot of electrical signals shooting back and forth. Langleben says the extra thought makes some sections of the brain light up like a bulb when viewed with an MRI.

MRI machines are bulky, but their potential as lie detectors could lead to the invention of smaller, more specialized versions, Langleben said.

Other tests are on the market, although how well they perform is an open question.

Hand-held "voice stress" detectors already are being sold for $300 to $600 at some department stores and on the Internet.

Makers claim the devices show when a person's voice trembles under the stress of a lie. Although skeptics say there is no proof they work, police in Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Miami are using more advanced versions and say they sometimes prompt confessions.

Also, the subject need not be present. Police can record a suspect's voice and check it for stress later.

Not everyone is sold on it.

"Voices can shake because people are scared about being interrogated by police," said Thomas Jakes, president of People for Civil Rights. "This technology is nothing but a way to scare people."

Critics say failure on any lie detector test can have unfair consequences, regardless of what the truth may be.

Mark Mallah says he was suspended and put under 24-hour surveillance after failing a routine polygraph test in 1994, when he was an FBI counterintelligence agent.

He was finally cleared and reinstated 19 months later. He quit.

"They never produced any evidence or came forward with anything, but the polygraph still undermined my career," said Mallah, who practices law in San Francisco.

In the CIA, routine polygraphs led to the suspicion of dozens of agents in the 1980s. Many were kept in professional limbo for years, according to an FBI report.

"We should try to avoid a society where suspicion is based on a machine and not on evidence," said Dale Jenang, a sociologist and philosophy researcher at the University of California, Berkeley. "Guilt and innocence are too important to leave to a machine."

On the Net: Mayo Clinic:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; sentate; technology
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1 posted on 06/22/2002 7:39:11 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: WakeUpChristian
Good for me I almost never lie.
2 posted on 06/22/2002 7:41:04 PM PDT by weikel
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To: WakeUpChristian
I triple dog dare little danny rather to read the news hooked up to one of these.
3 posted on 06/22/2002 7:44:03 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: WakeUpChristian
The article failed to mention the dreaded electic nipple clips.
4 posted on 06/22/2002 7:48:57 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: WakeUpChristian

First, the liar must hear the question and process it. Almost by instinct, a liar will first think of the true answer before devising or speaking an already devised false answer.

All that thinking adds up to a lot of electrical signals shooting back and forth. Langleben says the extra thought makes some sections of the brain light up like a bulb when viewed with an MRI.

More than fifty percent of the time when asked a question my thought process goes in many directions as well as retrieving the answer. For example, boarder guards are trained to detect eye movements that are pretty reliable in differentiating if a person is telling the truth or making something up. The procedure is simple. So when asked a question at the boarder as well as retrieving the answer I'll be thinking of the boarder guard doing the eye-consistence procedure.

5 posted on 06/22/2002 7:55:33 PM PDT by Zon
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To: SpaceBar
That would make my voice quiver...
6 posted on 06/22/2002 7:56:05 PM PDT by DB
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To: WakeUpChristian
The real-challenge would be making these devices democrat-proof...
7 posted on 06/22/2002 8:00:12 PM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: WakeUpChristian
They use Clinton's "I never had sex with that woman" speech to calibrate the equipment.
8 posted on 06/22/2002 8:21:48 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: Zon
First, the liar must hear the question and process it. Almost by instinct, a liar will first think of the true answer before devising or speaking an already devised false answer.
All that thinking adds up to a lot of electrical signals shooting back and forth. Langleben says the extra thought makes some sections of the brain light up like a bulb when viewed with an MRI.

Sounds fairly simple to beat. Just always think of a lie before answering even if the answer is the truth. Everything would then read as a lie. I also wonder if the sarcastic would have an advantage here as they generally do come up with a smart answer before answering a question even if it is never voiced.

a.cricket

9 posted on 06/22/2002 8:29:46 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: WakeUpChristian
I have mentioned this before regarding lie-detector screenings for employees in general. What such do is guarantee that pathological liars will be found at much higher percentage than usual in the organization, indeed, dur to soical dynamics, that they will come to run the organization, that the organization will itself become pathlogical and not only easy to lie, but ourright preferring lies to any truth, no matter how inconsequential.

Pathological liars can pass these tests. These tests rely a a normal sense of shame that shame prevents a lie from being completely hidden. But pathological liars have no shame about lies, in fact lies are more comfortable to them.

10 posted on 06/22/2002 8:39:14 PM PDT by bvw
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To: weikel
Searching for the truth
11 posted on 06/22/2002 8:46:40 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: another cricket

Sounds fairly simple to beat.

It assumes people are drone-like in their thinking -- always retrieving the truth and stating it before having any additional thoughts. Their dumbing-down indoctrination hasn't been that effective and never will be.

I think the author of the article has too much unproductive time on his hands.

12 posted on 06/22/2002 9:03:12 PM PDT by Zon
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To: bvw

These tests rely a a normal sense of shame that shame prevents a lie from being completely hidden. But pathological liars have no shame about lies, in fact lies are more comfortable to them.

Most people can lie without the normal shame attached. For example, looking down the barrel of a gun and being asked a question and depending on the answer the person holding the gun says he'll pull the trigger, the victim lies without shame. Once learned it can be used in situations where a person would expect shame to be attached.

13 posted on 06/22/2002 9:11:15 PM PDT by Zon
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To: WakeUpChristian
All that thinking adds up to a lot of electrical signals shooting back and forth. Langleben says the extra thought makes some sections of the brain light up like a bulb when viewed with an MRI.

Sounds like you get scored against if you make the effort to think over your answer to be sure it's truthful.

14 posted on 06/22/2002 9:15:12 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
"Even for the smoothest-talker, lying is tough work for the brain."

If they ever plugged Willie into it, he'd put that machine in orbit.

16 posted on 06/22/2002 9:22:31 PM PDT by holyscroller
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17 posted on 06/22/2002 9:33:41 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: weikel
>>>Good for me I almost never lie.<<<

Is that the truth, almost the truth, a lie, or almost a lie????

=)

18 posted on 06/22/2002 9:34:52 PM PDT by Tourist Guy
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To: WakeUpChristian
I wonder what would happen if C-Span used this on their congressional broadcasts?
19 posted on 06/22/2002 9:36:50 PM PDT by eFudd
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To: Tourist Guy
The truth if I said never then that would be a lie.
20 posted on 06/22/2002 10:23:57 PM PDT by weikel
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