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Who will build 1,500 power plants we need?
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 23, 2002 | BERNARD L. WEINSTEIN

Posted on 06/23/2002 8:16:59 AM PDT by Dog Gone

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To: Dog Gone
"Finland and several other countries, recognizing that nuclear power is the most environmentally benign process for generating electricity"

What a ridiculous statement. If its so benign, then why is W foisting all that "safe" waste on the citizens of NV? Why don't the states that generate it want it in their back yard? I'm no greenie, but statements like this go far to give the nuclear industry a black eye.

61 posted on 06/24/2002 12:07:35 AM PDT by brat
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To: monkeyshine; Dog Gone
Sounds like I should wait until the actual earnings announcement and then consider the matter in more detail.

Dog Gone, if I'm interested in investing in this sector thanks to my view that it's oversold, what company do you think is soundest? I picked Calpine mainly because it didn't seem to be in recent stories alleging problems, and they are continuing to successfully get power plants on line.

I appreciate your thoughts, and yes, I fully recognize that any investment decisions that I make are my own, and officially (and publically!) absolve you of any responsibility for same. (Besides, I'll be investing less than $1,000, on a strictly speculative basis).

D

62 posted on 06/24/2002 8:19:33 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: Dog Gone
"Indeed, Texas has the potential to become a leading exporter of electricity to other states if, and when, the United States completes a national power grid.."

That will never happen. There are a few direct lines between the Texas grid and the other grids, and they are very controlled, and easily disconnected. At this point in time, Texans probably would sooner secede from the Union rather than tie their power system to a national power grid. It seems to me one time, they did in fact try to connect the grids and a group of Texans cut the lines.

63 posted on 06/24/2002 8:30:25 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: daviddennis
I like CPN, I think it will do well in the long haul. But it's falling like a rock right now, due to Enron problems and their announcement that earnings will likely be soft and an overall malaise in the market in general.

There is not a lot to buy in the market. I will buy CPN again in the future, but right now it looks horrible. It's down again today, approaching it's 52 week low. I'd wait and see if it breaks down to a new low and if it does, wait some more.

The cynical side of me says that due to the scrutiny in the energy field, there is little chance for the windfall profits from electricity market manipulation like last year. But this is just my personal advice. I am not a broker or professional advisor. Good Luck!

64 posted on 06/24/2002 8:48:42 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: daviddennis
Keep an eye on CPN debt, too.
65 posted on 06/24/2002 8:49:29 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: daviddennis
If I had to pick one stock in the sector, I'd pick Reliant Energy. Their stock has been hammered because their spinoff subsidiary, Reliant Resources, was engaged in some of the Enron trading practices.

Reliant was planning to divest itself of the rest of its ownership of this trading company this summer, but the SEC investigation has probably put that on hold. I wouldn't spend a penny on Reliant Resources stock, but the parent company is a hard asset company with an enormous customer base and the stock has been beat to death. It looks like a bargain to me, not as something that is going to post 50% gains for years to come, but as one that could easily be trading at twice its current price next year.

I don't own any of this stock, but I probably will once the stock market quits plummeting.

Previous disclaimers about my lack of expertise in picking stocks still apply!

66 posted on 06/24/2002 9:34:02 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone; Ernest_at_the_Beach
The train wreck is coming, and this time it could be on a national scale.

Very well said and this article points out what our US Senators should be debating rather than being focused on just Enron and partisan politics.

67 posted on 06/24/2002 9:58:30 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: fogarty
By remaining isolated from the national grids, Texas escapes being subject to FERC regulations, so it's not likely that anyone will want to change that. However, since Texas has a surplus of power, neighboring states might be screaming for access to that power if there is a national shortage.

That will make for some interesting politics.

68 posted on 06/24/2002 10:10:17 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: brat
If its so benign, then why is W foisting all that "safe" waste on the citizens of NV?

Because nobody seems to have the intestinal fortitude to overturn Jimmy Carter's executive order ban on reprocessing 'spent' reactor fuel.

69 posted on 06/24/2002 10:20:35 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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It is a crime that we would throw away massive amounts of fuel!
70 posted on 06/24/2002 10:30:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Dog Gone
We need wind power not gas fired power plants.
71 posted on 06/24/2002 10:34:28 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: biblewonk
The wind isn't blowing in my part of the country today.
72 posted on 06/24/2002 10:38:27 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: snopercod
Nuclear power plant engineers are now flipping hamburgers. It is such a waste of talented people. If lawyers have their careers derailed like that, we would never see the end of it. Engineers, however have no clouts
73 posted on 06/24/2002 10:38:45 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Dog Gone
Mine either. Summer is the worst season for wind.
74 posted on 06/24/2002 10:45:12 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: biblewonk
It appeals to some sense of independence but power in the quantities we use isn't there unless you put "unsightly" windmills darn near EVERYWHERE.

It would take a half-dozen of the popular Whisper 1000 or 1500 models to convert the wind in order for your home to be airconditioned while supper is being cooked, the tv and lights on, etc. Using a battery bank involves HUGE quantities of lead which the health authorities want out of your home......

My bets would be on more co-generation of heat and electric ,i.e. if your furnace was replaced with a generator you could still benefit from the heat released in combustion. Few people realize that more of the energy in gasoline is thrown away by the internal combustion engine than is used to move the vehicle. And engines that run at low rpm in a fixed, sheltered building can last an extremely long time. Current "home" generators use high rpm (low life) engine to maximize the horsepower in a small package.Can an engineer tell me what design lifetime could be expected (using proven technology)if you ran the engine not at 3600 rpm not at 1800 rpm , not even at 900 like Chinese diesel units but at maybe 300 rpm with a properly sized flywheel and utilized the "waste" heat for domestic uses.

75 posted on 06/24/2002 5:54:26 PM PDT by hoosierham
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To: hoosierham
It would take a half-dozen of the popular Whisper 1000 or 1500 models to convert the wind in order for your home to be airconditioned while supper is being cooked, the tv and lights on, etc. Using a battery bank involves HUGE quantities of lead which the health authorities want out of your home......

No I'm thinking of the 50 to 90 meter windmills that are rated at 900kw - 3MW. We have a lot of the 50 meter 750 kw ones here in Iowa but they are building some bigger ones. Iowa is 3rd in the state in windmills and I'd love to know what percentage of Iowa's power they produce. But, there are very very few of them. The closest one to CR is 80 miles away and it's hard to find.

We can produce a very significant fraction of our power here in Iowa with very few windmills.

76 posted on 06/25/2002 6:06:58 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: Dog Gone; daviddennis
Glad you didn't buy CPN yet?
77 posted on 06/26/2002 7:28:29 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Down another 7% today. Yikes.
78 posted on 06/26/2002 7:35:45 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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