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To: Miss Marple
I don't udnerstand the defensiveness. I'm simply providing my opinion as you are. And if I don't agree with you, there's no need to get personal. Let me suggest that you're not as comfortable with your position as you suggest. And, by the way, all my statements about Florida, etc., have been published and posted, and were pretty right on, IMHO. But that's far off the point, don't you think? The President and his administration have been terrible on Israel. There's a clear breach within the administration between the State Department and the rest of the government and, for instance, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld). The President continues to try to straddle the fence, rather than put his foot down. This is more of the same, but with one difference. Now we have the President saying Arafat must go, and the Secretary of State recently saying that Arafat is the legitimate leader of the Palestinians, who the U.S. and Israel must deal with.
515 posted on 06/24/2002 3:18:49 PM PDT by holdonnow
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To: holdonnow
Now we have the President saying Arafat must go, and the Secretary of State recently saying that Arafat is the legitimate leader of the Palestinians, who the U.S. and Israel must deal with.

How recently? Anyway that doesn't matter since the President today did lay out an ultimatim and the onus is on Arafat.

Another point what is it about those radio headphones that make people like you, Rush, and Hannity loud mouthed, pompous, know it all, malcontents?

534 posted on 06/24/2002 3:28:12 PM PDT by Dane
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To: holdonnow
I am not defensive. I am mystified by your interpretation of the speech.

What do you suggest? The President has laid down very stringent conditions for a Palestinian state. Either they meet the conditions, which would mean the end of terrorism, or they do not. If they do not, I believe that the President was fairly clear in his threat to them and to all those who support terror.

538 posted on 06/24/2002 3:29:08 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: holdonnow
Now we have the President saying Arafat must go, and the Secretary of State recently saying that Arafat is the legitimate leader of the Palestinians, who the U.S. and Israel must deal with.

Who is the president? Just now his policy was put on the air - what Powell said before was Powell talking before.

542 posted on 06/24/2002 3:30:52 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: holdonnow; Miss Marple
OK ... I've only just now read the President's speech and I am left with a deeper distrust of politics than I had 15 minutes ago.

In the firestorm which has become all of our lives, I wonder if we are not micro-reading, managing ... editing ... *sigh* ... a useless comment, that ... sorry.

holdonnow ... Secretary of State recently saying ...

The operative word there, it seems to me is .. recently .... but not now ... or today ... or ever again ... I wanted a ka-BOOM from the Presidential podium ... and did not get that ... but ... after reading his words only twice .. I'll go back again ... and again, if needs be ...

I see instead the very real prospect that he has just set up the entire Middle East ... forced them all to draw their own lines in the sand.

Makes it easier to target them, it does ...

There have been posts and threads, lately ... mentioning troop movement ... increased supply demand ...

Anyway ... this is my first take on this ... and maybe not a very good one, at that ... but I think our President's Foreign Affairs pocket is slightly deeper than we may all think.

566 posted on 06/24/2002 3:46:30 PM PDT by illstillbe
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