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Destination Kabul for Turkish forces
BBC ^ | 6/21/2002 | Jonny Dymond

Posted on 06/24/2002 8:05:53 PM PDT by a_Turk

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To: general_re; dighton
there may be a deeper connection there than is apparent at first...
Did you check out the link on the runes?
21 posted on 06/24/2002 10:53:20 PM PDT by a_Turk
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After a quick search, it looks to me that the Gokturk Empire was founded in about the 6'th century AD, at least, according to this page and this page. And that second page makes reference to the Chinese conquest of the Gokturks in the 7'th century AD, and that they regained their independence around 632 AD.

But this would have been well after the Etruscans migrated to Italy (possibly from Asia Minor, recall), which was sometime between about 1000 BC and 800 BC. And in 334 BC, Alexander went rolling through Asia Minor on his way to conquering the Persians, who controlled Asia Minor at the time. And, of course, even before Alexander arrived, we know that there was already a heavy Greek influence on the region because Alexander "liberated" many Greek-populated towns and villages along the west coast of Asia Minor (and burned a few, like Halikarnassos).

So, we know there was a definite Greek influence on the region before the time of the Gokturks. And we have these Etruscans, who had this wolf symbol, that predated the Greeks. And then, later, we have the Romans in the region, forming the beginnings of the Byzantine Empire.

So, if the Etruscans were, in fact, from Asia Minor, it's possible that this wolf symbol is a very old symbol that they brought with them from the region. And then, later, you have the wolf myth of Romulus introduced into the region by the Greeks, which is later reinforced by the Romans. Since the wolf is possibly already a symbol with significance to the local peoples (which the Etruscan wolf symbol might indicate, recall), their native wolf symbology and the introduced Greek myths eventually become conflated and mixed together in a sort of hybrid story. And then, later still, we have the rise of the Gokturks and their conquest by the Chinese, which is how the Chinese eventually work their way into the myth.

Sound workable? Works for me - when do we publish? ;)

22 posted on 06/24/2002 11:39:52 PM PDT by general_re
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I noticed you pinged Romulus.

Our mythical blacksmith ancestor started a fire and smelted it down.

Take a little Roman history, add a dash of Longfellow, no mythtake about the result.

23 posted on 06/25/2002 6:49:20 AM PDT by Orual
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Very interesting read, thank you. One of the guys in my unit married a ethnic Turkish Chinese refugee. She was extremely beautiful, I remember she had exquisite green eyes. I believe the term is cok guzel gozler? When I met her is when I found out how widespread the Turkish language family really was. I believe there was some talk that Finnish might also be Turkic?
24 posted on 06/25/2002 8:53:59 AM PDT by Tailback
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Finnish might also be Turkic?
Finish along with Hungarian belongs to the Ural phylum, whereas Turkic is part of the Altaic phylum. Some combine these in the Ural-Altaic phylum.
25 posted on 06/25/2002 9:20:45 AM PDT by a_Turk
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Very good posts on this one. I must say that this was an informative thread for me.

I just wanted to add that Carl Jung believed that all myths had a common root in humanities unconscious.

This seems to be one of those archetypal myths to me.

26 posted on 06/25/2002 2:50:02 PM PDT by Arioch7
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Thanks go to a_Turk for starting this topic. I've added it to the GGG list, but am not going to ping everyone, because it's not primarily a topic about history. Found this Googling for Etruscan references on FR.
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27 posted on 11/28/2004 9:34:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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50 snuffies have a Major General to command them? I hope the rest of the TO&E doesn't look like that! LOL.


28 posted on 11/28/2004 9:46:16 AM PST by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket???)
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