MONDO WASHINGTON: Al Qaeda Training for Small-Arms Massacre

The Village Voice ^ | June 25 2002 | James Ridgeway

[SauronOfMordor]

Hey, great news - we finally get to shoot back! Oh, that might be a bit of a problem for the lucky residents of the "enlightened" cities in mention, where you can't do that, but for the rest of us it'll be open season on the turban boys. Woohoo!

Yeah, notice that cities like Philadelphia (PA is a "shall issue" state) are not included in the list

If we start getting Muslims shooting people in the streets, or staging homicide bombings like in Israel, expect Muslims to get REAL unpopular here.

[Redleg Duke]

No. At that point, the liberals will demand that all firearms be confiscated to protect the US from crossfire as Americans attempt to engage the terrorists and protect their families.

Ater all, according to the liberals, it is all our fault.

[Feudal]

"when would local or regional vigalanteism take over and how can it be prevented?"

PREVENTED!!!

Article II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Does this sound like the founding fathers intended our population to be led like lambs to the slaughter while the flaccid, well guarded, politicians in Washington quarrel over how much money they can steal from the working class!
That "vigalanteism" you fear may be what saves your life, or your families lives, when our government fails to!

[section9]

Wanna bet it'll happen in a community where firearm ownership is frowned upon?

I have actually been expecting this for some time.

An Al Qaeda strategy of urban terrorism would have greater long term benefits for them than the Spectacular. A corrosive urban terrorist campaign has already proven to have benefits against a civilian population in Israel. What the Al Qaeda have yet to understand is that people will arm themselves. There is a reason the Second Amendment exists. I suspect that our liberal friends are about to get a lesson in the futility of gun grabbing in an age of terror.

Getting reinforcements here is much more difficult than it is in the West Bank; it's just plain geography. So we actually have them at a disadvantage, here. We can take a leaf out of Chairman Mao's book and fight People's War.

There is no way the "guerilla" can survive in a hostile environment for long. According to Mao and others, he must be "like a fish in the sea".

I think we are about to find out just how many "illegal" firearms there are in New York and Washington.

L.A. hasn't been hit yet, however. Berkeley and Ithaca, NY? Please. From your lips to God's ears.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[parsifal]

I have always been afraid the terrorists would do something like this. So much havoc a small armed suicidal band could cause. Imagine 25 massacres in one day at fast food places across the country. Or in one big city. The police would be overwhelmed. I would hate to be the country that helps them get in here to do it. parsy.

[parsifal]

Wouldn't it be interesting to listen to Richard Gere if the terrorists targeted say, Hollywood? But I am afraid that even if the terorists did hit places like Berkely and Massachusetts, the remaining liberals would find a way to blame it on us right-wingers. It would be "our" fault, somehow. We antagonized the terrorists somehow, or made them envious, put crosses on our churches, or some such nonsense. parsy.

[section9]

Do you think PC will end at this time? I don't. I think it will take a nuclear weapon going off, and still it might not end PC. I hope I am wrong, however.

PC is on its last legs. The minute you see liberal Jews up in arms about Palestinian terrorism, then you know the game is almost up.

The Jews understand what the Gentiles have yet to figure out. It can happen here. September 11th was not enough for the liberals to understand that no, this is not about a sense of Arab "grievance". It's about Arab barbarism that seeks to kill us or convert us to Islam. When Al Qaeda starts hitting the shopping malls here at home, people like Noam Chomsky are going to become really isolated intellectually.

When the Liberals become afraid, that's when Sarah Brady needs to get a new line of work.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[section9]

Wouldn't it be interesting to listen to Richard Gere if the terrorists targeted say, Hollywood? But I am afraid that even if the terorists did hit places like Berkely and Massachusetts, the remaining liberals would find a way to blame it on us right-wingers. It would be "our" fault, somehow. We antagonized the terrorists somehow, or made them envious, put crosses on our churches, or some such nonsense. parsy.

I disagree. People do have a sense of self-preservation about them. It is okay to think, if one is a liberal, that one must address the concerns of terrorists in the abstract if terrorism is somthing that is happening "over there". But when it happens to a crowd at a Fourth of July picnic, or to a bus full of school kids in Peoria, or to a wedding party in Paramus, NJ, that's when the liberals run out of excuses.

Boy, to be a gun shop owner in this time!

And to think, the Toon almost ran gun shops out of business.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[adx]

The scenario that bothers me the most is four or five van loads of these mooks showing up at a suburban shopping mall with AKs and cutting loose on a bunch of soccer moms and their kids.

I'm still surprised it hasn't happened yet. I was actually expecting this for the Christmas shopping season. I was also expecting something to happen here in the Land of The Mouse, since IIRC Disney doesn't allow concealed-carry on their property, even though FL is a CCW state. In either scenario, the terrorists will have sitting ducks as targets, and the economic impact alone of such an attempt would make it worth it. Logistically and tactically simple in comparison to hijacking an airliner, and the effect would be huge.

The fact that something like this hasn't happened yet leads me to believe that these guys aren't too bright, and that I have more to fear from Washington DC overreacting and making power grabs than from any terrorist.

[freeeee]

when Sarah Brady needs to get a new line of work.

I really wish that would happen, but in reality, if this happens, she'll have her way, and then some.

Something like this would be the kiss of death for the 2nd Amendment. And they'd be soldiers and cameras and roadblocks and checkpoints in all public places.

[wtc911]

In November NYPD chased a car that ran a light on Queens Blvd. In Forest Hills. They caught and arrested four men with multiple Arab world IDs, multiple assault weapons, a ton of ammo and detailed diagrams of the bridges and tunnels surrounding NYC. This never made the news. I was told by friends with close personal knowledge of the event. These guys were taken to the local house where the Feds tokk them away.

This is just one of a number of similar stories in NYC. Only one I know of made the news. Earlier this year a "mid-east" type was spotted by a radio car patrol riding his bicycle near the Throggs Neck Bridge in the Bronx. An Uzi was sticking out of a backpack that also contained grenades. This was, as I said, in the news. But, it dropped off the screen almost immediately.

Two well armed attackers could blast their way onto the floor of the NYSE and do serious damage in no time. One well armed guy could kill dozens in Penn Station or Grand Central at rush hour in minutes. One car at each end of the Lincoln Tunnel with armed men inside could cose the tunnel down and trap hundreds with no way out.

[parsifal]

"But when it happens to a crowd at a Fourth of July picnic, or to a bus full of school kids in Peoria, or to a wedding party in Paramus, NJ, that's when the liberals run out of excuses.

I bet you they don't run out of excuses. 3000 dead in New York, home of Hillary, and they still had excuses. Remember Richard Gere at that benefit deal where he comes out blathering about Buddha or karma or something. And I will even go so far as to bet you, that the worse the damage is, and the longer it goes on, the MORE apologists you will have.

Sadly, I think we are going to find out which of us is right. parsy.

[niki]

Think about the slaughter in a darken movie theater. There are so many possibilities.

[old school]

"We would awaken a huge group of people and unite their anger toward a common goal -
the eradication of the west, period. Just as we get upset at our symbols being
desecrated, they would get just as upset... Now, if we want to take on the entire Islamic
world, then that's a different matter completely."

I think you have stated the case as it prersently is!

[Billthedrill]

If we start getting Muslims shooting people in the streets, or staging homicide bombings like in Israel, expect Muslims to get REAL unpopular here...

I do worry about that. Some poor innocent Sikh is very likely to find his mandatory headwrap in a few crosshairs, and he ain't the problem.

Most of the pros won't be machine-gunning anybody; a professional gets others to do his dying for him. Anyone young and pumped-up enough to try this kind of stuff is far more likely to be found on sundry college campuses and in jails.

RW, I won't really be looking for turbans, that was just a turn of phrase. I'll be looking for muzzle flashes and stuff zinging through the air my direction. Those are some of the classic warning signs that your day is not going to be a good one...

[RightWhale]

stuff zinging through the air my direction.

Whether it zips, zings, buzzes, or whooshes, maybe they'll all come out at once and go down in a blaze of glory. It might restore a measure of honor to their names, although certainly not enough to balance their attacks on undefended children and families.

[The_Media_never_lie]

Do you think if this happened we might ask the Islamists politely to leave and not come back? /sarcasm

[Southack]

"right.. ok... Then all hell breaks loose, and before you know it China, Russia and whoever else is unloading their nukes on us... That sounds like a great plan. I don't understand why people can't think logically."

Most people who can't think logically do so because they attempt to extrapolate facts to fit with their preconcieved notions. Take your comments above, for instance.

China is a Communist country. It is athiestic by law, yet you think that China will unleash its 18 ICBM's on the U.S. if we nuke an Islamic holy city.

Russia is literally at war with Muslims in Chechnya, yet you think that Russia will nuke the largest market for its oil (Russia is OPEC's largest oil competitor, too), the U.S., if we nuke a Muslim city.

Your preconceived notion is clearly that any use of nukes brings upon the end of the world. You are obviously trying to fit "facts" such as Russia and China nuking us into that preconceived (and obviously erroneous) worldview.

That's why some people can't think logically. Your post served as a perfect example of that very thing. You probably find yourself confused by the events of the world everyday, too. There's just no way that your worldview can explain the actions of various players, thus, either you ignore current events or else you find yourself constantly having to find new ways to justify your worldview (and that confuses people).

Good luck.

[metesky]

I don't think that the American people are as afraid as some would have us believe!

Agreed, and this type of article just pi$$es them off.

The worst thing that could happen to the Islamic cause is to start this stuff here.

The resultant outrage would make the WWII roundup of Japanese Americans look like a 4-H picnic.

[Ravaged Nation]

These Muslim homicidal maniacs really surprise me. You would think that with their holier-than-thou attitude, they would be targeting places like Hollywood or San Francisco or any city that contributes to the 'immoral corruption' of the world. After all, isn't one of their main complaints about America the export of immorality in general?

Stay safe everyone and have a great 4th of July! I'm back to my lurking status. :D