Help me out here: How can you Lincoln-haters love the Pledge of Allegiance?

The Pledge says the Nation is "Indivisible" -- exactly what Lincoln believed. In contrast, the Lincoln haters who are so many on Freerepublic think secession was legitimate - - in other words, you believe the Nation is "Divisible."

Also, the Pledge says it's a nation with "liberty and justice for all." The secessionists who you Lincoln-haters honor seceded in order to prevent "liberty and justice" for Southern blacks.

So help me out: Why DO you Lincoln-haters love the Pledge? I think it's because you haven't thought through the implications of your own pro-secession beliefs.

Well this ought to be interesting.""

Logic - and the truth - sometimes hurt. So I expect a lot of Lincoln-haters to studiously ignore this thread because they can't deal with the contractions in their own thinking - -

I'd agree with you on all your points, with the exception of one case: The State of Texas. Which was a Republic before it joined the Union, and ought to still have the right of secession - Lincoln or no Lincoln.

Ya know how even decades after V-J Day, folks would stumble across Japanese soldiers who thought that WW II was still being waged?

Same situation here. There's a hand full of Freepers who have never been informed that The Civil War is over. It's most odd.

Sad to hear such sentiments from someone who apparently hails from one of the most loyal states during the Civil War - and a state that gave Lincoln big electoral majorities.

exactly what Lincoln believed.

Yes he did,thank you Mr. Lincoln.

Executive Mansion, Washington, August 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley: Dear Sir.

I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable [sic] in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.

Yours, A. Lincoln.

Here is a really really strange bit of trivia for you, Texas, and I always thought this was an urban legend, but its actually true, has the right to break up into 5 states anytime they wish. It was part of their agreement into entering the union, no other state has that right. I believe it might have been a trade of over the right to succeed.

P.S.

I believe the States have the right to succession,and I believe it is the Presidents duty to keep the "Union" together.

If a State or States want to succeed they better win the war.

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