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To: #3Fan; RJayneJ
"Yes, gold mining paper is good for investing now, but it is paper and paper will fail like the rest of the fiat currencies in a catastrophy. For survival, several ounces stashed here and there will be the way to go."

The problem with using gold for survival is that it has negative value. It is heavy. It won't defend you , and you can't eat it.

If you think of any survival situation, gold is always more of a problem than a solution. Take a sinking ship, for instance. Do you really think that gold will aid your chances of swimming to shore? Or consider a riot/battlefield condition. Will gold aid in your defense, or are other metals such as brass and lead (hint: bullets) more appropriate? Or consider that you are lost in a desert with no water around. Will someone trade their last drop of water for your bags of gold?

Likewise, gold is bad for economic survival. It's very inconvenient to carry around to trade for things, and getting "change" from transactions is problematic. It's difficult to lend out multiple times, so banks soon find that they have little or no financial leverage, too. That fact dries up loans, bringing business cycles to their knees.

Then too, gold is subject to the vagaries of world supply. A new "strike" that finds a plethora of gold can quickly devalue your own gold holdings through no fault of your own.

But the worst thing about gold is that it is an ugly, yellow metal. People are forever trying to trade it for paper currencies just to get rid of the stuff.

Everyone talks about gold as it is valued in Dollars. Even people who claim to like gold go around getting excited if the ugly yellow metal brings in a few more pieces of fiat currency in market trades one day over another.

Why would real gold-bugs care how much paper currency gold could be traded for? Don't real gold bugs disdain paper currencies?

Methinks they doth protest too much.

In reality, gold bugs are simply people who are stuck holding on to an ugly yellow metal, and what they really want is for some new sucker to come along and offer them more precious Dollars for their sickly supply of metal.

96 posted on 06/28/2002 6:17:12 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
In reality, gold bugs are simply people who are stuck holding on to an ugly yellow metal, and what they really want is for some new sucker to come along and offer them more precious Dollars for their sickly supply of metal.

Thank you! Gold has no intrinsic monetary worth, except what some guy is willing to pay me in usable paper currency for it. If we were two cave men and you wanted to trade me that block of yellow mass in your hand for the brilliantly red ruby in my hand ... are you f'n NUTS???? My stout little hairy woman would leave me after that display of genetic unsuitablility.

Why is Gold worth even $314 an ounce? I say it is worth $10 a pound. If men stopped outrageously overpaying for wedding rings - the market would crash.

107 posted on 06/28/2002 6:45:46 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Southack
Skip the ugly yellow metal and buy some shiny new shares of Global Crossing (or some other Mickey Mouse stock).
112 posted on 06/28/2002 7:05:02 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Southack
Man, are you full of youself or what?
You've got an little picture which represents, what? A self-indulged arm-chair critic with no perspective and no knowledge?

"Then too, gold is subject to the vagaries of world supply. A new "strike" that finds a plethora of gold can quickly devalue your own gold holdings through no fault of your own."

And how long does it take to produce gold from a "new strike?" Five to seven years is the current estimate. Gold production has dropped for 5 years because of low prices.

Please get rid of you stupid bull logo and refrain from commenting on things taht you know nothing about.
122 posted on 06/28/2002 7:43:06 PM PDT by rohry
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To: Southack
The problem with using gold for survival is that it has negative value. It is heavy.

Don't carry all of it at once! LOL Someone would just steal it from you.

It won't defend you , and you can't eat it.

Nah, you can buy your way out of a lot of things, ask OJ.

If you think of any survival situation, gold is always more of a problem than a solution. Take a sinking ship, for instance. Do you really think that gold will aid your chances of swimming to shore?

I don't recommend using gold as a floatation device, I recommend it for a lot of people to own in case of a national catastrophy that hyperinflates the U.S. dollar, in which case the international price of gold (which would rise in a case like this) would be a standard for the American people to trade for food and necessities until order can be restored. If a national catastrophy struck, I live in a neighborhood where there would be people able to help other people and exchange goods for something they knew would not lose value, like gold. Just because there would be a disaster doesn't mean that everyone everywhere would automatically go for their neighbor's throats. Gold will be a big help to get a lot of good communties back on their feet. It's a lot easier to trade gold for food than, say, to trade a couch for food or whatever.

Or consider a riot/battlefield condition. Will gold aid in your defense, or are other metals such as brass and lead (hint: bullets) more appropriate?

Gold will go farther in my community. If you live in East LA, I recommend a heavy supply of brass and lead.

Or consider that you are lost in a desert with no water around. Will someone trade their last drop of water for your bags of gold?

Nomads are very well prepared to live in desert conditions and would trade water for gold.

Likewise, gold is bad for economic survival. It's very inconvenient to carry around to trade for things, and getting "change" from transactions is problematic.

No it's not. One ounce equals 300 loaves of bread. 300 loaves of bread has enough calories to feed a human to carry an ounce of gold across the nation. That's very good weight to energy ratio. Engineers would kill for that in a machine.

It's difficult to lend out multiple times, so banks soon find that they have little or no financial leverage, too. That fact dries up loans, bringing business cycles to their knees.

I'm not worried about business cycles. This world is going to be tested and business cycles will be the least of our worries.

Then too, gold is subject to the vagaries of world supply. A new "strike" that finds a plethora of gold can quickly devalue your own gold holdings through no fault of your own.

The big Inca Peru strike didn't hurt gold much in the 1500s. Spain lived on that gold for years, it was a lot of gold.

But the worst thing about gold is that it is an ugly, yellow metal. People are forever trying to trade it for paper currencies just to get rid of the stuff.

Enough people don't think it's ugly and will pay 300 loaves of bread for a tiny ounce of it.

Everyone talks about gold as it is valued in Dollars. Even people who claim to like gold go around getting excited if the ugly yellow metal brings in a few more pieces of fiat currency in market trades one day over another.

Our fiat currency currently has value, because our government and military says so. What happens if our government has some kind of extreme crisis? Bye, bye dollar, gone to the asheap with 99% of every other fiat currency ever issued.

Why would real gold-bugs care how much paper currency gold could be traded for? Don't real gold bugs disdain paper currencies?

I love money. But when I look at it, I know that through inflation or disater, it will be worthless some day. Not so with gold.

Methinks they doth protest too much.

You won't see me protest. If you want to give me all your green, I'll take it.

In reality, gold bugs are simply people who are stuck holding on to an ugly yellow metal, and what they really want is for some new sucker to come along and offer them more precious Dollars for their sickly supply of metal.

My investment in gold is for security, not capital gains.

124 posted on 06/28/2002 8:02:12 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Southack
If you think of any survival situation, gold is always more of a problem than a solution. Take a sinking ship, for instance. Do you really think that gold will aid your chances of swimming to shore? Or consider a riot/battlefield condition. Will gold aid in your defense, or are other metals such as brass and lead (hint: bullets) more appropriate? Or consider that you are lost in a desert with no water around. Will someone trade their last drop of water for your bags of gold?

Are you sure you're not a liberal? You call this an argument? Substitute "paper money" for the word "gold" in your writing and your points fall flat. Gold is considered a natural money. If it wasn't, then why does our government have a stockpile of the stuff within our banking system??

Your reasoning ability is on par with a typical liberal off the street.

181 posted on 06/29/2002 12:41:42 AM PDT by disclaimer
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